And here I am using a modern Linux OS on a 15 year old desktop without any issues or nagging to log into an online account or to backup all my shit to some server, open to hackers, in windows world.
Article isn’t that great. The change is in beta, and it’s preventing the installer from accepting a switch that declares the OS to be a server product.
MS hasn’t said it’s going after any upgrades that are running out of spec hardware. This really sounds like they are just fixing an upgrade option.
This is just Vista all over again. Calm down people. Go to Linux or church if you’re scared.
The difference is, that you could just continue using XP until Win7 was released or continue using Win7 until Win10 was released. Win10 will reach end of life next year and then the only supported Windows will be Windows 11. Vista or Win8 were never as forced as Win11 is now.
The timeline for the lifecycle is 10 years. That’s ample time for an OS generation.
not really because Vista does not have strong hardware requirements. But, this one have
Vista was absolutely the slowest thing imaginable. They reduced the requirements as part of a marketing campaign for “Vista-ready” PCs, but PCs that ran it “well” were few and far between. Even after 7 came out if you went back to Vista it was noticeably slower.
I decided to look up what that term meant.
The minimum specs seem to be an 800Mhz system with 512MB memory. No, Vista will not run good on that. Even Windows 7 will not like it. Windows XP with SP3 will run on that, but even that will feel sluggish on 800Mhz.
That’s like early XP computers being released with 64 or 128 Megs of RAM. That may be the minimum specs but it’s not gonna be usable.
Today, sure.
2005 was a different story, one the opposite of this one.
While Vista didn’t have high specified requirements, it gobbled resources so updating from XP to Vista you’d have a noticable slowdown.
Win11 is the opposite of that story. While modern PC models (as in 5-year-old when Win11 first came out) can run Win11 fine, Microsoft forces requirements which aren’t needed.
Sure, while having a better TPM and newer processor is a good thing, making anything other than that ewaste (because windows runs 90+% of consumer PCs, with Apple being the majority of the 10%) definitely isn’t.
Install Linux, be done with anything from Microsoft
Hey man, I think your keyboard is broken.
Every single reply you have made in this thread is just the exact same thing.
Leave him. He spreads the truth.
Leave him. He spreads the truth.
Hey thanks man! That’s awesome
I know. It’s noyy keyboard, it’s me.
I’ve had 30 years of having to read one Microsoft bullshit article after another, and then watch people go like sheep and give more monies to Microsoft for their shit. I’m kinda done with that and if my replies are annoying to you, imagine me having to deal with that for 30 years already.
The simple truth is that Linux works, is more reliable and more usable than windows… frankly, always had been. The biggest “ooohhh difficult!” part about it is that a few things work slightly different. Takes 5 minutes to understand and you go. Most people use windows with all its bullshit to do some word stuff and browse the internet. Guess what? You can do that too on Linux. Since 20 years ago already, that’s how long I’ve been on Linux desktop.
Fuck Microsoft bullshit that always ALWAYS vuases problems
“By god we have got to stop people from using Windows!”
Uh. Yes. Do that.
If it’s just an installer check then people could just use the old installer versions and update afterward right? Or are they planning on stopping updates for unsupported hardware that already installed windows 11?
It’s MS. I wouldn’t be surprised if they bricked systems attempting to bypass the requirements.
As far as i know, windows 10 is still more functional, less of a resource hog (in windows terms), far FAR less telemetry and it just looks fucking nicer. It costs nothing to not upgrade, or you pay the tribute and join the linux brotherhood
You’ve got around 9 months left on Win10 supportability. Then it will move in to LTS channels only. It was incredibly well adopted so we have to believe any open vulnerabilities will be targeted quickly and relentlessly. Sadly, we will be in a 11 only world by this time next year.
I’m fine with just the security updates until 2025. I’m sure I’ll eventually be able to move on to Linux by then.
Hell, I look forward to the only updates being security. Microsoft seems to think anyone likes having their OS change overnight.
Is secure boot still required? Yes?
Can’t force me to do shit Microsoft. Your own OS prevents it :)
You’re misunderstanding, they’re stopping people like you and me who don’t have those.oj their PCs from upgrading via workarounds, not preventing us from a forced upgrade.
I had to go back and reread. I really shouldn’t comment when I’m still in bed.
Seems like you’re not the only one in this thread that fails to even read the title correctly.
They probably read requirement as meaning being required to upgrade to 11.
Every 2nd microsoft OS is bad. Its normal for them. XP good, vista bad, 7 good, 8 bad, 10 good, 11 bad.
Like Star Trek movies 😂
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5 was terrible. No redeeming qualities whatsoever.
No. They’re all bad, some are just worse than others. You’ve all just been stockholm syndromed into thinking better of the “less bad” ones.
W7 was fine. I cut the cord and went Linux before W10. It sucked for a year, and now I look at the trash they sell and everyone pays actual money for… And I laugh XD.
Everything after w7, id agree. Windows 7 was actually legit. It ran fine on my amd athlon with 512MB ram. Ran dolphin back in the day too. Now after that it was all shite
No 7 sucked too. It just came off the back of Vista which was a real hot mess, so 7 appeared better.
The thing is, Microsoft has always had an adversarial (or abusive) relationship with its customers, forcing things on them that most of them don’t want. Like active desktop and IE integration in Windows 9x, “activation” and Fisher Price UI in XP, UAC in Vista, forced automatic updates in 7, that awful tile UI in 8.x, telemetry you can’t disable in 10, forced Microsoft accounts in 11 … the list is endless. And then when they back down on one thing, people are like: hurray, Windows is actually good now! … forgetting all the other things they have been forced to swallow in the past.
I generally agree, but I feel like Windows 8.1 was a vast improvement on 8. It was really more like Windows 9 with a Windows 8 theme.
Sure, it really isn’t hard to be better than Windows 8… That doesn’t make Windows 8.1 good, it just means it’s less bad than Windows 8.
Uh, no.
95 bad, 98 bad, 98SE good only compared to 98, XP actually decent, Vista only really bad because of the change in how drivers were handled and there not being a robust library of them because of it, 7 THE GOD KING OF WINDOWS OSes…The Best, The Pinnacle. The Peak. The Top of the bell curve, 8 was shit, 10 was more shit than 8, 11 is just spyware.
If you’re calling 95 bad i don’t think you spent a lot of time in 3.1. Resolving IRQ conflicts, configuring winsock.DLL, whatever the hell else. 95 had its issues, especially on the gaming side, but it was leaps and bounds better than what came before. Meanwhile 98SE was good enough to keep people, especially gamers, on it for a long time.
I did, but I didnt feel it was necessary to go into an excruciatingly detailed list of all OS’s from now to all the way back to LEO I in my OS criticism, just to avoid some pissy OS ping pong of “You thought that was bad? You obviously never used (insert older OS here)!”
Damn if it was ok i would install windows 7 now…for real
Seriously. Windows 7 was the first genuinely stable OS from Microsoft.
Everything before it required regular reformating. Granted, the frequency of the reformating less over time, but still required it. Like, Win95/98 required it like every 3 months, XP every 6 months to a year, just to avoid the bloat and slowing down and issues. Same with reboots, it didnt have to be rebooted every time you ran a program, either.
Windows 7? My longest run between formats was like 4-5 years iirc, and that was due to hardware changes, not due to any performance or maintenance need. Ans for reboots? Only time that computer ever got rebooted is when a windows update demanded it, or when the power went out. Neither of which was particularly frequent.
It was also slick, agile, easy to use. You didnt have to think about shit when you used windows 7, you just did shit.
I’m not a fanboy, despite what this sounds like, but 7 was legitimately the best Windows OS, hell it wouldnt take much twisting for me to say it was the best Desktop OS, period. It was the first time ever that I was able to use the computer, and not have to stop and think “Well, I just finished running a heavy game, I need to reboot before I do something else” I just stopped one heavy task, gave the background processes a second to finish up, then went right to another heavy task without issue or concern.
It also had a very good UI. But Windows always had the best UI, by comparison, in the market, cause they spent billions on developing it so that the most computer illiterate could pick it up and use it with 15 minutes of instruction.
Yes that’s how they make you swallow the pill. Windows 12 will be “good”, in that it will not be as bad as W11. But it will still move the public into the slaughterhouse a bit more.
2000 good. XP gooder.
Actually 2K, ME, XP
2K December 1999, ME June 2000, XP October 2001
So the good bad good is preserved
Fuck the 9x kernel.
If we’re doing that we gotta go back to at least 95 if not 3.1. Are we counting 98se?
Nah. Fuck the 9x kernel.
Good! The less PC’s that run W11 the better
I mean, this was 100% predictable.
And anyone who didnt think it would happen were willfully blind or just plain ignorant.
You mean? Or you say?
Welcome to English Idioms 101
it has nothing to do with it. Welcome to the real English
Used market is about to have some bargains on very usable Linux machines.
Cool. I can upgrade some of my decade old machines on the cheap.
Hopefully that newer hardware is as stable as what I already have.
Nice I could use a laptop
I installed Linux mint on my laptop the other day because of various sustained long term annoyances with Windows. Despite some minor hiccups it only took about 30 minutes. It’s been such a great experience so far.
Did the same on my desktop computer two weeks ago, everything else is already on Linux (servers and laptops).
I am fed up on Microsoft shenanigans with windows.
I’ve been on EndeavourOS (basically Arch… btw…) for about a year and a half now, and I absolutely love it. I will never use Windows by choice again.
I did the same. Windows 11 ads and one drive forced me out.
I’ve literally been trying to install windows 11 several times. I’ve made my PC support it, but the update just breaks and rolls back every time
When googling I see others with the same issue but no solution
Install Linux, be done with anything from Microsoft
Stop. We get it. I got a proxmox server, a truenas server, a half rack in the garage and everything is great. I’ve also got three brand-new in the box laptops for people who wouldnt know what to do with any Linux distro. They wanna use office and QuickBooks and that’s it.
I used office and QuickBooks oninux 10 years ago, easier and safer than on windows. What’s your point?
It’s ok. You aren’t gonna get it. Otherwise you already would have.
So Microsoft wants to force everyone to ditch their perfectly good machines so they can make more money off of selling OEM licenses.
I’m just waiting for Europe to sue their greedy asses for planned obsolescence.
At the very least, they should be releasing some “Lite” version for older hardware or something.
It’s such a catch-22 with Linux, because you’re not going to see ads for it and most “normal” people don’t even know what it is (and that they have a viable alternative to Windows).
I don’t want ads for Linux, but I wish there was a way to elevate it into the general public consciousness so people are aware that they even have an option. AND ITS FREE.
While I do agree that a lot of the PCs that are deemed not compatible is really stupid, there are people that are trying to use Windows 11 on devices that have no business running it, so this is partially to prevent their devices from getting infected with a virus or something
Why won’t they get a virus or something on Windows 10 with that same hardware?
Since when is having vulnerable hardware the business of the operating system? Sure, they’re allowed to do whatever they want, but it’s stupid. It’s your system. You should be able to try to run any software you want on it and the software shouldn’t care (unless it just literally can’t work, not a software check to make it not work).
I’m on Linux only though, so I may be biased. I think I own my computer and you may not agree with that.
Malware such as that imbedded in Windows 11?
I’ve lost count of how many times Microsoft, and many other big tech companies, hindered me from doing something I wanted to do on a device that I own or “security” reasons while it had absolutely nothing to do with security and everything to do with forcing their users to comply with their business model.
You really shouldn’t believe the Corporate bad faith arguments used to justify anti-consumer practices. They are complete bullshit.
My job has radicalized me against windows, the settings are factory reset quite frequently due to updates or reimaging so I’m constantly resetting every single option just to get it back to a continent state (Who in their right mind thinks centered task bar icons is a good thing!?!?!)
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Yeah as much as this sucks I honestly hope that Microsoft will actually take advantage of this and start moving legacy support into more specialized options.
A lot of the reason windows is so janky at times is because of the insane obsession they have with backwards compatibility.
Lol, worst take I have ever heard.
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Windows has no purpose these days outside backwards compatibility.
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Windows primarily sucks because of ads and forced updates, not jank.
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Microsoft exclusively deals in antiquated spaghetti code, removing backwards compatibility won’t change that.
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Microsoft has no interest in improving users experience they have invested entirely in squeezing in micro transactions not exactly a user first design philosophy.
Enshittification
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False.
I work for Microsoft and I can assure you that any effort I make to increase code quality or reduce jank (or pretty much anything other than shoving more AI in our products) will not positively impact my bonus next year.
What if you found another window to put ads in?
Are you working on Windows or another product? Also do you know why MS expects ROI for new Windows features ie. Amazon Appstore? Since Windows is a paid product (at least for OEMs) I would expect license income to sustain feature development.
Like what? I’m still using my 2011 MacBook Pro, and my phone is about six years old.
I can’t update my 2011 MBP to the latest version of OSX, but it still works fantastically for everyday stuff. Phone can update to the next version of iOS.
can’t update
Yeah, that’s the problem, if your hardware can run the latest software, it should be able to update to the latest software
It’s THIRTEEN YEARS OLD! It still functions! If it stops functioning, I can put Linux on it!
It’s a first-gen Core i7… I don’t think the hardware would support the latest version that well, if at al.
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not even a browser
Try Firefox maybe? Safari and Firefox work perfectly on my 13 year old MacBook… I don’t know what’s wrong with your machine.
Edit: you can’t put Windows 11 on a 13 year old machine, that’s a straight-up lie. Mind you, not because the hardware is broken or unsupported, but because Microsoft simply refuses to allow it.
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