Post had nothing to do with murder or violence. It is clear who reddit serves.
If the billionaires aren’t getting mad at this, they are getting something good from it. Most likely in the form of extreme tax cuts (and the moral type of fraud). They’d have less capital but more for themselves.
We’re allowed to discuss all forms of revolution, so long as they are ineffective.
So if you want to know how to stage a successful revolution, consider what you’re not allowed to say as the starting point. And take a look at how the CIA overthrows governments- it ain’t peaceful.
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Am I gonna get banned for upvoting this?
The number of peaceful revolutions we can unfortunately count on one hand. We can strive for to -but we have to be realistic
However there also has to be a plan. Simply overthrowing the existing rule allows chaos & someone worse to assume power
‘We can’t overthrow Hitler, because someone worse could come in to take his place.’
No one said that. As the others pointed out, I’m saying have a plan.
The go-to example is the French Revolution. There was no plan for after they eliminated the “bad guys,” and they ended up executing mostly non-rich folk. Saw a stat elsewhere that it may have been as few as 20% of victims were the rich.
Do we really want 80% of the people hurt by a revolution to be the common folk? If that’s what you wanted you might as well stick with the current status quo. You’re getting it.
I’m not going to argue further with you as the others have already done so well enough. I am only saying: have a plan, or things very well could go even worse
We already have plenty of socialist/communist revolution examples to follow.
No, you do not need to strategize before removing the boot from your neck.
That’s not what they said though
Same logic.
No, they just said there needs to be a plan. It’s not the same logic at all.
Ok. I guess evil can be permitted to run rampant while we work out a plan.
Well then, by that logic, let’s just nuke the entire planet today! Argue in good faith please.
The old rule has already been overthrown. By Trump, far right white Christian nationalists, and silicon valley. Unfortunately, it’s being replaced with something way worse.
Yes, I know - but the revolution is happening because people are angry and they believe the system is broken.
I’m all for a short return to normalcy if actual change follows.
If actual change does not follow, I promise you we will be right back in this position before you know it.
I completely agree that what’s coming is worse. But if you don’t have a plan, the ensuing chaos is EXACTLY what Silicon Valley is hoping for so they can grab power. They have said it out loud.
Something has to be done by someone otherwise we’re all fucked.
yea, like what is currently happening is a “non-violent” coup. They used anger, mass disinformation and propaganda.
Still non violent. As fucked as it is, there has been very little violence. Maybe some crazies at protests. Compare that to other revolutions it’s almost nothing.
I would rather have the violence. Maybe then there would be movement to stop it.
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Russ voight literally said their coup would be as bloodless as democrats allowed
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I am not sure I agree that the old rule was replaced. Before, the oligarchs ruled from the shadows by controlling political campaign finances and lobbyists. But now, the oligarchs are so powerful they are ruling directly. The country is still heading in the same direction (relentless growth of power disparity between the rich and power) just at a quicker pace.
FDR was the last US president that fought for the working class. Every President since Reagan has overseen policies that have weakened the working class and transfered power to the rich. Republicans were far more aggressive about it, but liberals still did it at a slower rate.
Not only that, but without a plan you won’t even be able to get close to overthrowing any half-competent regime.
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That sub generally isn’t a meme sub so it’s not surprising they removed it for non conspiratorial reasons.
This is why billionaires didn’t like Lina Khan. As head of the FTC she understood her job was to prevent and break up monopolies. The billionaire monopoly winners disagreed.
It is because Spez is a corporate shill taking that sweet sweet Russian oligarch and Chinese investor money while he bleeds users and data.
Peter Thiel is an American oligarch. He has funded reddit from the beginning. Then later on Andreessen and Altman.
Which Russian oligarchs fund reddit? And I very much doubt the 3 hundred million from Tencent holds much sway considering how virulently anti-China reddit is.
The monopoly men have worked very hard over the past one hundred years to stamp out class consciousness in the US. They won’t give in without a fight.
Bootlickers is the battle ground
If owners control them, they win
If they gain class solidarity, owners lose
“But if I lick boot hard enough maybe one day I’ll get to be an owner and control them!”
They’re scared of anything that challenges their position even subtly. So they remove posts like this to avoid questioning the narrative. Hopefully their efforts will backfire with the Streisand effect.
NGL if ya’lls ability to make rational appeals inherently relies on Luigi Mangione worship then you’re going to have a very difficult time just in general.
Even just using the un-photo-shopped Bernie Sanders original could swing the bias almost 50% in your favor when approaching the general public with your ideals.
Everybody loves Bernie. Only 18% approve of what Luigi did.
Last numbers I saw in that kinda world, where very much higher then 18% not sure where you are pulling that figure from?
The poll which came out on December 13th 2024
I dunno, that poll reads very much in favor of Luigi. The fact that a poll needs to be run in the first place for an act like this. To me anything that’s not strongly against this is showing some sort of support.
Yeah, that link shows 31%, not 18%. Nearly a third of those polled have a positive approval of Luigi.
61% of people actively oppose him, it definitely works as strong supporting argument against using his image to promote your ideals.
If anything it shows that less than half disapprove of Luigi’s actions. Only 41% have a negative view of his actions.
Aren’t statistics fun?
Exactly. People reading this poll should remember that the baseline percentage of your average respondent on whether “murder in cold blood” is justified is “super duper strong disagree”
In your link below, 18% only includes “strong positive”. Why exclude “somewhat positive”?
It’s actually 19%, including both levels of support. Reading is hard for people I guess.
And for the record, 61% held a negative view. So OP is completely correct here.
Ah, you are right regarding the full dataset. Thank you.
It’s strange that they start off with, and seem to focus on, the under-45 respondents unless they were trying to push a positive-viewpoint message. For that age group, it was 31% positive and 41% negative. However, this group seems like a better fit for the Lemmy/Reddit audience. Furthermore, left-leaning voters appear to be more positive in this poll than their right-leaning counterparts.
With all that in mind, I still think this meme works well and wouldn’t have been improved with Bernie.
I just want people to understand that just because many people on Lemmy love Luigi doesn’t mean there’s some secret silent majority in real life that does too. Most people don’t want to see people shot down in the streets, regardless of who they are. It makes them feel like they or their family might be next.
I think they framed the story that way because to boomers the level of support among younger people is the most shocking thing about this poll. To those of us in that demographic it seems a strange way to do it because that’s just how it is for us, so it’s not that noteworthy.
Why exclude “somewhat positive”?
Because they’re making their argument in bad faith, or they stopped after getting the part they wanted and didn’t bother looking any further.
Who is ‘they’? The ‘somewhat positive’ people are bad faith, or finitebanjo is bad faith?
finitebanjo
This one. Sorry for the confusion.
finitebanjo has some pretty obvious ‘lying with statistics’ vibes. He said only 18% approved of Luigi’s actions when I can say only 41% view Luigi’s actions as negative. They were just cherry picking some stats.
Ah yes. The vibes. Always reliable. Except it’s actually 61% negative. Should I accuse you of lying now?
You are adding ‘not sure’ as a negative. I didn’t. That’s why statistics are so much fun.
No I’m not.
The difference is I don’t attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance.
Read the survey again. We are talking about the full population, not only young people.
We’re dealing with the same idiots that think they can squash dissent by no longer allowing questions on company town halls. Doing literally anything continues to frustrate the fuck out of them as they realize they don’t have a paycheck to wave at us to keep us quiet. But, yes, anyone willing to a little heavier lifting is always welcome.
After all these years, people still don’t understand echo chambers.
Echo chambers are fine, as long as you don’t think they are reality and act accordingly. I am annoyed by willful ignorance, so I purposefully avoid becoming friends with willfully ignorant people. But, I remember that they exist and when they come after marginalized people, I am not afraid to engage them.
Yeah but few people seem to have this ability. I’m not sure its human nature. People tend to uncritically accept the opinions and statements of their peers as fact.
Maybe you are exceptional and this doesn’t apply but I tend to think it applies to everyone to some extent.
I’m not exceptional. I’m the same piece of shit as everyone else 😂 you’re right though, it doesn’t hurt to remind people to be cautious of them.
Yeah part of me wants to think I am immune but I think that’s my cognitive bias at work. But I do think I’m more skeptical than the average person, even if I’m not completely immune. People who think about and recognize these issues might have an extra layer of defense, if imperfect.
you actually can be pretty close to immune, vaccinated you might say, through meditation. you become very aware of how your thoughts arise, and how they really are not you. and the difference between thoughts and thinking.
the ol’ “try to think of what your next thought will be, and you won’t be able to” thing. But, sounds like you’ve already been practicing some self-awareness.
Let’s try the same text with a Nazi salute. Maybe even a literal photo of Hitler. I wonder if they’ll stay up. (I expect they will)
You have to use his full name “Luigi Mario” so it doesn’t get taken down.
It’s not only who they serve that is on full display, it what those in power fear most
They fear it so much that they are ruthlessly crushing it across all social media platforms
It’s a photo of a guy who shot a CEO and a text that basically says “there’s more”.
While I agree with the message, it’s still a call to voilence.
your mom is a call to violence
I was shadow banned from Reddit for making a not violent Luigi post on 12/23/24. My account was older and had high karma. I am grateful to have found this community. The state of human rights in the United States is bleak. I watched my mom die from early onset Alzheimer’s in our broken system and I don’t even have words for the cruelty in our system. How can corporations be “people” if there’s no way to hold them accountable for mass murder? Our system is broken and corrupt from top to bottom and somehow it’s about to get much worse. Luigi gave those of us who are broken and tired a fleeting moment of hope.
Thanks for the writeup, I think I’ve been banned (edit: by admin, mods never banned me) about ten times on reddit over the years and it was always for shit you’d never get banned for on forums run by independents instead of corporations. Especially one owned by spez who idolizes Elon Musk.
You may also enjoy SomethingAwful Forums. The $5 one time to register fee paywall keeps most jerks out. https://forums.somethingawful.com/
i was banned before the anti-luigi initiative by reddit, it seems like they are coming up with new excuses to ban more and more people. so that only a small amount of users are left.
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I think it’s targeted. They want to ban free thinkers and when new users come in, they will see a more facist base. Bet Reddit’s CEO got a fat check to make these changes. I got perm banned, then 3 day ban, after the first day it just went to perm again. Total IP ban.
Fuck Reddit and it’s bullshit. Lemmy is the new home.
they want a facebook/youtube hybrid, people that cant discern if its a right wing video/content trying to trick “liberals were destroyed by this right winger” or i cant stand “leftist voters,etc”.
What if thier filters are actually looking for content like that in your posts? and thier convenient excuse of permaban from subreddit, ban evasion.
Luigi gave those of us who are broken and tired a fleeting moment of hope.
ahem The Adjuster gave us all that, Luigi was hanging with me all week
My mom passed earlier this year from pneumonia. The insurance wouldn’t let her stay until it was gone. So we had to keep taking her out of the hospital for a couple days, and then putting her back for the same pneumonia, it lasted for months, because the hospital couldn’t fully treat it. She had to wait at home until she was able to go again, and it eventually took her. The pneumonia, stress and everything else was just too much for her heart. She ended up going into cardiac arrest multiple times and the pneumonia sepsis is listed as her official cause of death.
Luigi is a fucking American hero and I wish more people could be like him. I unfortunately have to take care of these kids so I cannot but I will pray for whoever picks up that mantle.
I’m sorry for your loss. They murdered your mother for profit and it enrages me. I’ve personally suffered at the bloody hands of the insurance companies as well. The insurance companies fill me with a cold deep rage. I hope all their leaders know fear before they come to their end.
I have kids as well. I’m no longer religious but I believe in Saint Luigi and pray that others are inspired by his noble actions. Truly.
If you’re willing, please share the name of the insurance company and the CEO that murdered your mother for money.
I’m sorry for your loss. They murdered your mother for profit it enrages me. I’ve personally suffered at the bloody hands of the insurance companies as well. The insurance companies fill me with a cold deep rage. I hope all their leaders know fear before they come to their end.
I have kids as well.
If you’re willing, please share the name of the insurance company and the CEO that murdered your mother for money.
The real villains are vanguard, black rock and the politicians that keep selling out the people. Things are about to get much worse with the cutting an privitazation ( this means it will be moved to a corrupt dysfunctional shareholder profit model) of medicade, Medicare, veterans healthcare and social security are all on the chopping block. The social contract is broken and the wealthy have waged war on the people. I was hoping that those doing this would have a wake up due to Luigi and ease up but instead the suppression has increased. I don’t know how to fix this but the attack on the working class is “legal” and any resistance or hope is stamped out. I get why people don’t want to bring children into the meat grinder that America has become.
Hyper focusing on Blackrock makes you sound like a conspiracy theorist - there are many groups like it, you have to expose the whole not be obsessed with the one or again it just looks crazy. IMO.
Black Rock, Vanguard and State Street own 74% of the US Economy. Not a crazy conspiracy an easily verifiable fact https://money.usnews.com/investing/articles/these-3-fund-families-control-74-of-the-market
No investigation, no right to speak.
What does that even mean?
Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I named multiple sources for our troubles. The biggest firms extracting wealth seemed like good easily verifiable examples. Agree to disagree with your opinion
I’ve had two accounts on Reddit, one got permabanned a few months ago, and I deleted the other a few days ago. The first one was my oldest account. Over a decade old, and massive karma. I also had my own sub where I shared my writing, and had a few thousand subscribers.
Back when that incel neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes got doxxed on Twitter, I made a joke saying “as an incel, he should be glad that women know where he lives now in case they want to share a cocktail with him”, with a gif of a Molotov cocktail. Permabanned for “promoting/glorifying violence”. I thought it was funny, but fine. That one is on me.
My other account, which was seven years old and had high karma, got banned from probably half a dozen subs in the past week or so for just mentioning Luigi, or even just up voting posts and comments mentioning him. That was when I decided Reddit was no longer for me.
It’s one thing to ban someone for the kind of joke I made. While it was obviously a joke, it was still an overt glorification of violence. So I get that. But just for up voting a comment mentioning Luigi’s name in a nonviolent context?
FUCK. THAT.
Totally with you. Tracking accounts and what they upvote and downvote and then banning specific accounts is pretty well fucked. All-the-while allowing and even enabling bots to flourish… Reddit is a mostly liberal flavored Facebook now. Total trash at this point. Nearly every sub just a bot filled echo chamber inside a library of echo chambers. Almost zero critical thinking. Obvious lies everywhere that are amplified until they become accepted as truth. Just like X/FB/IG/etc.
On a positive side the general public opinion on Reddit is mostly encouraging. It still has that going for it. But power corrupts. And Reddit is a publicly traded company now. Beholden to it’s shareholders and investors. Hopefully Lemmy grows and fills that void now that Reddit has decided to side with the wealthy elite by censoring our voices. Now that Reddit is literally owned by these wealthy elite (just like all the rest) they cannot be trusted anymore.
It’s wild. You can go on Reddit and openly discuss why you think Hitler may have been the good guy, but if you up vote some AI art of Luigi, you get banned.
And when you consider the amount of bots on there… many of which were Russian, and proven to be attempting to influence our elections, these bots go unchecked. But Luigi getting upvotes warrants a ban… holy shit man what a world now.
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You can openly call for the death penalty for people seeking an abortion, or for the extrajudicial execution of immigrants, but Satan forbid you up vote a cartoon of your favorite green hat wearing Nintendo plumber.
It’s ridiculous. Those in power are clutching their pearls really fervently right now. Its funny how they brain wash us from such a young age to believe political violence is never the answer and extremely reprehensible meanwhile they have no qualms as far as using political violence against the working class and poor or any other country that might be in the process of a worker led revolution that works against the capitalist interests of those in power. And non violence may have been working some 60-70 years ago but then those in power quickly moved to implement violence to halt that progress. And i know I can not say for certain but im rather sure that MLK jr would change his tune on political violence if he could be resurrected to see exactly what the establishment did to him for spreading ideas they disliked. I often say that if nonviolence were truly the best way to effect socio political change then those in power would not be making bombs guns hets tanks and all the other military ordinance they profit off of to arm right wing coups in south America, central asia africa and every other part lf the world that the west strips for resources at the expense of the indigenous inhabitants of that land. The cia would just have their field agents instruct these authoritarian militants to enact sit ins and marches.which they do utilize from time to Time but they still definitively use violence as their preferred and final strategy to topple regimes and install vassal regimes when needed
I feel like the US at this point is a lost cause. The corpos have accumulated way too much lobbying power over the past few years. They will never allow real progressive candidates win major elections. Democrats now have to play the center in order to not upset the corporations. We lost our last real chance to make meaningful change with Bernie in 2016…
Bernie in 2016
DNC komissars denied us that because it was “her turn”
And they have been denying pro worker candidates ever since.
Removing billionaires is self defense, don’t let anyone tell you different. They commit acts of gross violence on the general populace every single day. It’s time to re-balance the scales.
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#killbill
I mean. I would never do something like this. And I don’t condone it. But people are free to do with their lives what they want. We have guns to fight tyranny.
The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime.
Max Stirner
Yesterday I saw clips on TV from us media supporting trump’s stances on Ukraine and stuff like that. Made me quite angry because the way that the presentation of the news was set up was to influence the viewer. Nothing else. It wasn’t to inform, it was to influence.
When it’s about politics on Belgian nationalised TV channel, then it’s always various people who share their points of view and it’s more to inform than to dictate.
MSM in the uss are owned 6-7 trump loving conservatives thats why. last years was nothing but sanewashing trump news, while ignore all the epstein investigation+ we havnt heard from mis GHISLAINE maxwell for like 2 years by then in the news, besides epstein she was the 2nd in command in relation of his operations, she knew everything that was going on, but not a peep from msm about her.
