Desiring Communism isn’t because people overwhelmingly desire one form of production over another, the draw is for what these modes of production allow for and who they benefit.
It’d be cool to live in an AES country, sure, but what would be even better is to transition existing Capitalist states towards Socialism. Having more international trade between like-minded Socialist countries would benefit these countries massively.
Yeah, I do. My wife lives in China as we speak, in fact. Why would I not want to live in one of the safest countries on earth with the highest level of automation, easily accessible and cheap housing and food, mandated workers democracy, and high speed rail to and from nearly everywhere of note?
Have you ever been to China? It’s better than the US in many, many ways. I make 4x the minimum wage in my state and can’t afford a one bedroom apartment. My wife makes min wage in her province and can afford her own place. I can’t afford to get medical care even with nice insurance because it’s a scam, my wife got daily IV treatments at a high quality clinic for three weeks for under $300 without insurance. She works today (International Workers Day) and is receiving triple overtime pay for it. I could literally go on for hours.
My wife doesn’t even work full time and can afford to live in the city center of her 20 million person city. Lots of people work a lot in many places, I work full time making 4x min wage and can’t afford to rent a one bedroom apartment. My boss works 60 hours a week, and in fact, most restaurant workers here work 50+ hours a week. She’s working as we speak, and making triple overtime. Food, shelter, healthcare, and medicine are so cheap and accessible there that I literally cried the first time I went and realized how shit the US is in comparison. Riding the subway cost me ¥2, less than 1/10 the cost of one hour of minimum wage work. Even getting premade food delivered there is cheaper than going to the grocery store to make your own food in most western places.
On your other point, one of my closest friends there is a vocal critic of the Chinese government, he’s never been arrested, or even talked to by the government. Their prison population is far too low for such things to be true. Their police kill an average of 2 people a year in a country of 1.4 billion.
Can you imagine why capitalist states would have an incentive to trash talk China? Why they would be lying about a country that’s safer, cheaper, and produces the majority of the world’s goods while providing cheap, and easy to access housing and amenities?
Genuinely, go visit China. Spend some time there, it’s safe as hell, the food is amazing, the people are kind and helpful.
Fucking hell.
“one of the safest countries on earth”.
Yeah, the country where you get beaten and tortured if you don’t agree with the State.
China isn’t fucking communist, it’s at best an authoritarian socialist government with a LARGE class gap between the party and the people.
The other shit you described are already standard for people living in the EU etc. Only the U.S. is too shitty to have them.
Stop praising China just because they say they are communists.
Really now? Which European country can you afford to rent an apartment as a single person making minimum wage in a city center? Which European country mandates worker democracy in all public and private companies? Which European country can I take a 500+kmph train hundreds of miles for under $20? No ones getting beaten or tortured for not agreeing with the state, maybe quit slurping down propaganda. People are being beaten and arrested in multiple European countries and the US as we speak for standing up for Palestine against their governments. China has been on the right side of the Palestinian occupation for literally 5+ decades, even back when they were extremely poor. China doesn’t even have militarized police on the level of Germany, France, or especially the US.
Nearly all poverty alleviation in the 21st century has happened in China, while nearly all European countries and the US have seen a resurgence in poverty. 800 million people were brought out of extreme poverty with guaranteed housing, food, medical care, electricity, clothing and water.
China is so safe shop owners will leave their goods outside with their WeChat QR code when they close and people will buy on the honor system, in 20 million person cities. Their police kill an average of 2 people a year, in a country of 1.4 billion people. hundreds of western women have talked about how safe they feel there, including wandering around in the middle of the night alone in the largest cities in the world.
You’ve never been, clearly, or you wouldn’t hold such nonsensical views of it.
No state is communist, but China is run by the communist party and is in the process of the development of socialism. It continually improves the material reality for its citizens, something most countries have long since forgotten how to do. A still developing country has higher homeownership rates than any western country, lower violent crime rates, higher access to needed technologies like electrification and electric cars, and produces nearly half of all the world’s clean energy.
It’s not perfect, and it’s still developing, but it’s doing a much better job at taking care of its people than any other country I’ve ever been to.
Guys please check the list of the communist countries and come back to me to tell if you want to live in there, ok?
Desiring Communism isn’t because people overwhelmingly desire one form of production over another, the draw is for what these modes of production allow for and who they benefit.
It’d be cool to live in an AES country, sure, but what would be even better is to transition existing Capitalist states towards Socialism. Having more international trade between like-minded Socialist countries would benefit these countries massively.
You’re getting down voted but no one has answered you.
I’m being down voted for having a good point but they don’t like facts
You don’t have a good point, that’s the problem.
Fundamentally, why do you believe Communists exist, and what do they want? We can start from there.
How can you complain about no one being brave enough to take you on mano-a-mano, but also say this:
The literal stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
Yeah, I do. My wife lives in China as we speak, in fact. Why would I not want to live in one of the safest countries on earth with the highest level of automation, easily accessible and cheap housing and food, mandated workers democracy, and high speed rail to and from nearly everywhere of note?
Have you ever been to China? It’s better than the US in many, many ways. I make 4x the minimum wage in my state and can’t afford a one bedroom apartment. My wife makes min wage in her province and can afford her own place. I can’t afford to get medical care even with nice insurance because it’s a scam, my wife got daily IV treatments at a high quality clinic for three weeks for under $300 without insurance. She works today (International Workers Day) and is receiving triple overtime pay for it. I could literally go on for hours.
You’re young, don’t be so self-assured.
I heard that people work a lot and don’t have a choice, and enjoy the iron fist of Xi Jinping
My wife doesn’t even work full time and can afford to live in the city center of her 20 million person city. Lots of people work a lot in many places, I work full time making 4x min wage and can’t afford to rent a one bedroom apartment. My boss works 60 hours a week, and in fact, most restaurant workers here work 50+ hours a week. She’s working as we speak, and making triple overtime. Food, shelter, healthcare, and medicine are so cheap and accessible there that I literally cried the first time I went and realized how shit the US is in comparison. Riding the subway cost me ¥2, less than 1/10 the cost of one hour of minimum wage work. Even getting premade food delivered there is cheaper than going to the grocery store to make your own food in most western places.
On your other point, one of my closest friends there is a vocal critic of the Chinese government, he’s never been arrested, or even talked to by the government. Their prison population is far too low for such things to be true. Their police kill an average of 2 people a year in a country of 1.4 billion.
Can you imagine why capitalist states would have an incentive to trash talk China? Why they would be lying about a country that’s safer, cheaper, and produces the majority of the world’s goods while providing cheap, and easy to access housing and amenities?
Genuinely, go visit China. Spend some time there, it’s safe as hell, the food is amazing, the people are kind and helpful.
Fucking hell.
“one of the safest countries on earth”.
Yeah, the country where you get beaten and tortured if you don’t agree with the State.
China isn’t fucking communist, it’s at best an authoritarian socialist government with a LARGE class gap between the party and the people.
The other shit you described are already standard for people living in the EU etc. Only the U.S. is too shitty to have them.
Stop praising China just because they say they are communists.
Really now? Which European country can you afford to rent an apartment as a single person making minimum wage in a city center? Which European country mandates worker democracy in all public and private companies? Which European country can I take a 500+kmph train hundreds of miles for under $20? No ones getting beaten or tortured for not agreeing with the state, maybe quit slurping down propaganda. People are being beaten and arrested in multiple European countries and the US as we speak for standing up for Palestine against their governments. China has been on the right side of the Palestinian occupation for literally 5+ decades, even back when they were extremely poor. China doesn’t even have militarized police on the level of Germany, France, or especially the US.
Nearly all poverty alleviation in the 21st century has happened in China, while nearly all European countries and the US have seen a resurgence in poverty. 800 million people were brought out of extreme poverty with guaranteed housing, food, medical care, electricity, clothing and water.
China is so safe shop owners will leave their goods outside with their WeChat QR code when they close and people will buy on the honor system, in 20 million person cities. Their police kill an average of 2 people a year, in a country of 1.4 billion people. hundreds of western women have talked about how safe they feel there, including wandering around in the middle of the night alone in the largest cities in the world.
You’ve never been, clearly, or you wouldn’t hold such nonsensical views of it.
No state is communist, but China is run by the communist party and is in the process of the development of socialism. It continually improves the material reality for its citizens, something most countries have long since forgotten how to do. A still developing country has higher homeownership rates than any western country, lower violent crime rates, higher access to needed technologies like electrification and electric cars, and produces nearly half of all the world’s clean energy.
It’s not perfect, and it’s still developing, but it’s doing a much better job at taking care of its people than any other country I’ve ever been to.
There is no nation state while living in a commune. Communist country is a oxymoron .