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It’s nice to see the senate opposition functioning.
Edit: 18 hours of holding the senate floor, giving voice to the american people. Lots of tears as american suffering is read out loud for the congressional record. Testiment from Americans across the country. This is the voice of the people. Please click the link, share and watch. The media needs to know we care about the opposition more than we care about trump rambling on a plane about fort knox.
The CR/shutdown was a lose/lose. According to EO 14210, Trump could terminate non-essential government employees in a large-scale reduction of workforce if there is insufficient funding. It would expedite Project 2025.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/don-t-use-shutdown-plans-to-slash-the-federal-workforce
And the funding bill gave expansive new military powers to the executive office, it wasn’t just a stop gap bill. It’s the same lame Duck crap democrats continue to do that put our country in the position it is in. They are complicit and are more aligned with the republicans than they are a true left or progressive party.
I’m aware. I’m not saying it was the right choice. I’m saying it was a lose/lose situation. The military powers are more of a formality to keep the Republicans in Congress’s hands clean. They have majority regardless.
It’s all losing, and we just have to be okay that the democrats just clutch their pearls instead of putting up actual resistance?
Democrats voted and spoke out against Trump’s cabinet nominations, forced a 15-day vote against Trump’s executive order, confirmed Biden’s pending judicial appointments when Republican attendance is low, and are the ones bringing these cases to the courts. I wouldn’t call that clutching pearls.
Yet the democrats still voted to confirm even the least qualified cabinet picks instead of opposing the whole thing from the start. They said words and then their actions were the opposite. They dont fight for single payer healthcare because they benefit. They dont fight for a minimum wage tied to inflation because they benefit. They take corporate donations and pretend to fight for the average american and yet still do the shit like insider trading and fuck you cuz I got mine policies.
All of the appointments with the exception of Rubio were split 50 Republican/50 Democrat with Vance as the tie breaker. Look them up for yourself.
I’m with you on the rest. I’m just saying they’re actively trying to stop Trump. We need to primary out the deadwood centrists in favor of progressives that will actually fight for the working class.
https://ballotpedia.org/How_senators_voted_on_Trump_Cabinet_nominees,_2025
Not even close to party lines, but okay.
Thanks for sharing that. Shun the traitors!
To be fair i think most of us thought Rubio would have a spine and be effective at a position he was at least qualified for. I’m gonna give everyone who voted on him a break. the rest are inexcusable.
And when they are trying to cede congressional authority and oversight to the executive branch… we really needed the leverage on the CR
Sure did! Instead Schumer just rolled over because “trust me I know what’s best” bullshit. Didn’t even push for a single goddamn concession. Passed it whole hog as written.
Yep. Which is one of the biggest critisms of the dems that is relevant, they love handwaving and telling us whats in our best interest instead of polling or listening to us.
If it’s lose/lose, why didn’t they choose to lose with dignity instead of lose like cowards?
They should have. Dissent made them look weak. I’m just saying it wasn’t a simple choice to give up leverage that people seem to think it was.
One of the Democrats’ greater failures is the lack of a Party media infrastructure that they could use to control the narrative. Republicans have Fox and the right-wing media ecosystem, but Democrats never bothered to capture their own media to push their own message and agenda.
There are definitely friendly media groups, but they’re not loyal. They just happen to agree with Democrats more than Republicans. If the government shut down they’d turn on Democrats.
Only one party has media control and so only one party controls the message. I have no doubt that Democrats would have failed to defend themselves if they voted against Republicans - but that speaks to their failure to make their own media more than the vote itself.
That’s true. I think I prefer it that way. If I could choose, I’d rather Fox and Truth Social didn’t exist over adding a left-wing loyalist media platform.
Okay, but Fox does exist and it’s not going to be outlawed any time soon. Not having a response to Fox is liberal idealism.
It’s one of the reasons we’re in this situation.
Do you prefer Democrats being unable to fight back because any attempt to do so would be smeared by the media? It’s not like corporate media is unbiased, they just aren’t biased towards Democrats.
That’s fair. I’d like to see a real progressive platform. A liberal bias would be too close to an MSNBC clone.
It was a complex choice, and i tried to acknowledge all the outcomes as fast as possible. I do not have a congressional support staff, or access to polling. My decision came down to the times we are in. If the republicans move fast and break things, we can too. We can shut down the government and blame it on them, like they are doing with us.
Republicans are not master strategists, they are running the same scam they have been for 20 years. if we start breaking things and flooding the zone with real shit it would throw them off balance, and shake the faith of their base.
It would have resulted in a mass termination of non-essential government workers that they would’ve blamed squarely on the Democrats. There was no clean way out of it.
This is a well thought out writeup on the consequences of the shutdown:
https://www.joshbarro.com/p/it-is-not-chuck-schumers-job-to-satisfy?triedRedirect=true
I agree, but one of my biggest points im trying to get out in the world is we can’t make decisions based on Optics we don’t control. We need to control the optics, and the narrative. We do good things, we are not good at taking credit for them and helping voters understand them.
So we’re always going to lose and the republicans are already blaming their recession on Biden.
Exactly why I make comments about accomplishments of Democrats. I point out their accomplishments because they don’t do it for themselves. I only like them more than Republicans. There’s plenty to criticize, but that’s taken care of by the masses.
If only we had the ego to label it all the infrastructure spending “THE BIDEN BRIDGE!!!”. Take the new BIDEN BRIDGE!!! to work today.