Unfortunately, if it were only the president who’s corrupt, he would have already been impeached and removed. Even if there were a question about whether he does or does not want to become an authoritarian dictator, ignoring everything that is hinting at it, he is digging himself in the sort of hole that he can only survive in as long as he retains power and I’m sure he knows it.
Point to me the trade wars and civil rights rollbacks that happened during those times. We just had to keep doing the thing and keep pushing the needle towards progressive ideas and socialist policies that help people. That’s ALL we had to do together, it was working for a while.
But nope. Everyone lost their attention spans because social media and russian bots amplifying the worst of all sides of every issue until everyone said “fuck it, I don’t care, I rather see drama than boring, slow, incremental progress.”
edit: I am fully aware of how absolutely wicked Obama was, I don’t care in this context, we were making PROGRESS, even if small amounts, your knee-jerk desire to educate me about how bad the system is on both sides just makes me think you’re not reading and feel entitled to something and you will be blocked. You’re a huge reason we’re in this mess. I’m fully convinced that most of you don’t actually want good outcomes and you just want to feel validated and recognized.
Point me to the better alternative and who’s leading it. Otherwise we’re stuck with the systems we have and nobody is going to be perfect, or even “good” in most regards. But I don’t see a choice unless we find a way to destroy capitalism entirely.
Yes but the manner in which both options may play out is a lot more complicated than most people tend to imagine. Whichever outcome we get, it won’t happen fast, our world is too large for fast changes but most of our population is hung up on immediate rewards and immediate validation so we don’t plant seeds for the future, we don’t work towards a world we’re passing down.
Most people right now are either cynical doomers who have shrugged and are not planning on surviving the next few decades, or mindless religious orcs who think they’re going to be raptured or UFO’s are going to whisk them away from the flat earth.
The thing is… the doomers… crazy religious christian fanatics, and accelerationists… centrists are just as if not more delusional than these people right now since they still assume things will work out and we will have a future.
We have about 10-15 years before global ocean food networks completely collapse and the quality of life of human beings on this planet plummets.
This isn’t a longterm thing anymore, and this is clearly something centrists who never really gave a fuck never would actually believe, and so in these pentultimate stages of collapse it is actually centrists who are the most deluded about their future. Imagining some kind of religious reckoning where god comes down and smites a whole bunch of people… yeah… that is a good metaphor for what is coming, it is a whole lot better of an expectation than all the liberals around me who still want to believe if we just recycle harder and be better people and really care about the environment that things will be ok!.
It is exhausting talking to centrists and liberals since it is like revealing to someone you have a terminal illness and then having them lecture you about how it mightttt not be terminal and that shame on you for already giving up!
Wake the fuck up centrists, the crazy people are right, we don’t have a future. Find me a climate scientist who is still employed in the U.S. that can tell me with a straight face we have a future, we don’t.
US gained the rights to legally murder its own citizens without due process under Obama.
Also loads of giving corporations and capital rights, and rolling back protective anti-investment gambling under Democrat administrations, which ate up the rights of non-capital.
Well I don’t fucking see anyone at all of any significant power even remotely considering OTHER means for progress, so I stand by what I said. We were making progress, now we’re not.
This is the same arguing-with-bricks situation I felt when I was saying if our only choices are Trump or establishment democrats we need to pick democrats because those are our only fucking choices unless enough people get on-board with a new strategy, which isn’t happening, hasn’t happened, won’t happen.
“Well Mister or Miss Democrat president isn’t great so I can’t vote” is why we’re here, and I’m done arguing with fucking entitled tankies and delusional internet addicts who think someone is coming.
Nobody is fucking coming. I’ve been through this for decades. Nobody is saving us. We are not getting ideal outcomes.
Well I don’t fucking see anyone at all of any significant power even remotely considering OTHER means for progress, so I stand by what I said. We were making progress, now we’re not.
This is the same arguing-with-bricks situation I felt when I was saying if our only choices are Trump or establishment democrats we need to pick democrats because those are our only fucking choices unless enough people get on-board with a new strategy, which isn’t happening, hasn’t happened, won’t happen.
“Well Mister or Miss Democrat president isn’t great so I can’t vote” is why we’re here, and I’m done arguing with fucking entitled tankies and delusional internet addicts who think someone is coming.
Nobody is fucking coming. I’ve been through this for decades. Nobody is saving us. We are not getting ideal outcomes.
A lot of them are arguing in bad faith or have been brainwashed by the people that do. It is clear people can not only still protest, but protest far better with fewer worries and more effect under the lesser evil. These clowns would be complaining about the US winner-takes-all system of democratic governance if they truly cared, and there was only basically one option where protesting for that didn’t make you a potential deportee to El Salvador prisons.
Unfortunately, if it were only the president who’s corrupt, he would have already been impeached and removed. Even if there were a question about whether he does or does not want to become an authoritarian dictator, ignoring everything that is hinting at it, he is digging himself in the sort of hole that he can only survive in as long as he retains power and I’m sure he knows it.
We can still end this democratically, but the window is rapidly retreating.
Won in 2012
Won in 2018
Won in 2020
Won in 2022
And this is where it got us.
Point to me the trade wars and civil rights rollbacks that happened during those times. We just had to keep doing the thing and keep pushing the needle towards progressive ideas and socialist policies that help people. That’s ALL we had to do together, it was working for a while.
But nope. Everyone lost their attention spans because social media and russian bots amplifying the worst of all sides of every issue until everyone said “fuck it, I don’t care, I rather see drama than boring, slow, incremental progress.”
edit: I am fully aware of how absolutely wicked Obama was, I don’t care in this context, we were making PROGRESS, even if small amounts, your knee-jerk desire to educate me about how bad the system is on both sides just makes me think you’re not reading and feel entitled to something and you will be blocked. You’re a huge reason we’re in this mess. I’m fully convinced that most of you don’t actually want good outcomes and you just want to feel validated and recognized.
Boring, slow incremental progress is great. Not ideal, but great.
However, a two-party system where one party is ALWAYS a single lost election from the advent or fascism is a democracy too brittle to survive.
Point me to the better alternative and who’s leading it. Otherwise we’re stuck with the systems we have and nobody is going to be perfect, or even “good” in most regards. But I don’t see a choice unless we find a way to destroy capitalism entirely.
We destroy capitalism or capitalism (finishes) destroying us. Appear to be the only two options available.
Yes but the manner in which both options may play out is a lot more complicated than most people tend to imagine. Whichever outcome we get, it won’t happen fast, our world is too large for fast changes but most of our population is hung up on immediate rewards and immediate validation so we don’t plant seeds for the future, we don’t work towards a world we’re passing down.
Most people right now are either cynical doomers who have shrugged and are not planning on surviving the next few decades, or mindless religious orcs who think they’re going to be raptured or UFO’s are going to whisk them away from the flat earth.
The ocean is being cooked by an unfathomable amount of heat energy, we are talking an incomprehensible amount of nuclear bombs worth of energy.
https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/?dm_id=world2
The thing is… the doomers… crazy religious christian fanatics, and accelerationists… centrists are just as if not more delusional than these people right now since they still assume things will work out and we will have a future.
We have about 10-15 years before global ocean food networks completely collapse and the quality of life of human beings on this planet plummets.
This isn’t a longterm thing anymore, and this is clearly something centrists who never really gave a fuck never would actually believe, and so in these pentultimate stages of collapse it is actually centrists who are the most deluded about their future. Imagining some kind of religious reckoning where god comes down and smites a whole bunch of people… yeah… that is a good metaphor for what is coming, it is a whole lot better of an expectation than all the liberals around me who still want to believe if we just recycle harder and be better people and really care about the environment that things will be ok!.
It is exhausting talking to centrists and liberals since it is like revealing to someone you have a terminal illness and then having them lecture you about how it mightttt not be terminal and that shame on you for already giving up!
Wake the fuck up centrists, the crazy people are right, we don’t have a future. Find me a climate scientist who is still employed in the U.S. that can tell me with a straight face we have a future, we don’t.
US gained the rights to legally murder its own citizens without due process under Obama.
Also loads of giving corporations and capital rights, and rolling back protective anti-investment gambling under Democrat administrations, which ate up the rights of non-capital.
No part of this refutes anything I typed.
Murdering our own citizens without due process is massive civil rights rollback.
Well I don’t fucking see anyone at all of any significant power even remotely considering OTHER means for progress, so I stand by what I said. We were making progress, now we’re not.
This is the same arguing-with-bricks situation I felt when I was saying if our only choices are Trump or establishment democrats we need to pick democrats because those are our only fucking choices unless enough people get on-board with a new strategy, which isn’t happening, hasn’t happened, won’t happen.
“Well Mister or Miss Democrat president isn’t great so I can’t vote” is why we’re here, and I’m done arguing with fucking entitled tankies and delusional internet addicts who think someone is coming.
Nobody is fucking coming. I’ve been through this for decades. Nobody is saving us. We are not getting ideal outcomes.
Whole lot of words to excuse murdering citizens without due process.
Oh, I figured they counted as a huge loss of civil liberties.
Well I don’t fucking see anyone at all of any significant power even remotely considering OTHER means for progress, so I stand by what I said. We were making progress, now we’re not.
This is the same arguing-with-bricks situation I felt when I was saying if our only choices are Trump or establishment democrats we need to pick democrats because those are our only fucking choices unless enough people get on-board with a new strategy, which isn’t happening, hasn’t happened, won’t happen.
“Well Mister or Miss Democrat president isn’t great so I can’t vote” is why we’re here, and I’m done arguing with fucking entitled tankies and delusional internet addicts who think someone is coming.
Nobody is fucking coming. I’ve been through this for decades. Nobody is saving us. We are not getting ideal outcomes.
A lot of them are arguing in bad faith or have been brainwashed by the people that do. It is clear people can not only still protest, but protest far better with fewer worries and more effect under the lesser evil. These clowns would be complaining about the US winner-takes-all system of democratic governance if they truly cared, and there was only basically one option where protesting for that didn’t make you a potential deportee to El Salvador prisons.