Trump: convicted rapist, pedophile, misogynistic swine. Also failed businessman, pathological liar, corrupt to all hell. Sellout to Russia and the Nazis.
A vote for Trump is a vote to end America. It really is that simple. If there is one thing I hope future generations rally around and condemn is Trump voters. I hope they are shamed for eternity.
And, you know, the dissolving of rights, kidnapping immigrants, putting children in handcuffs, the openly fascist plan being played out that just hit the 50% goal of destroying our government and replacing it with fascist theocracy, but yeah, pretty much the same as always, right?
I wish Lemmy had a remind me bot so I could come back to this comment in 6 months. It takes time for Trade and Tourism to drop off, and more time for the effects of that to be noticed by the average citizen who is having the reality of the situation hidden from them by the propaganda machine of the oligarchs.
A lot of what made the US a superpower has already disappeared. Its alliances with Europe and the Commonwealth. Its influence on global trade. Its influence on global institutions. Its soft power through things like USAID.
Harris assured Trump voters that nothing would fundamentally change. The Democratic party is sitting on their thumbs while the fascists are taking over. Electoral politics don’t save us from fascism.
I have zero goddamn sympathy for any so-called “leftist” who didn’t vote for Kamala. You have condoned neo-facism to stroke your own ego. No two ways about it. At least now they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Tell me, how’s that self-righteousness taste?
I guess punch in the mouth? It doesn’t matter. Ppl are so tired of getting punched in the mouth they gave the cheese grater a try and did a lot of dmg.
You can make the point about trump being a criminally weirdo pervert fake businessman without misrepresenting (and therefore failing to learn from) the 2024 election.
Harris kicked tent poles out of the Big Tent™. This includes immigration (low latino turnout). It seems unserious to say it was just the blind eye to Israel’s genocide that lost the election, i haven’t seen a piece of evidence that bore out the genocide as Kamala’s sole reason for losing the popular vote.
Its also the case that republicans spend literally billions more on media and it leads to them dominating online spaces with pure spam. Online posting is never a substitute for knocking on doors, a thing the Kamala campaign failed to do sufficiently.
DNC apologists always being like “well they were trying to recruit more bigots” and then act surprised when the bigots and their overwhelming piles of media cash chase voters out of the Big Tent
Well to be fair, Trump wanted to cooperate with Israel on a beach resort in Gaza, whereas Harris was just afraid of saying Israel bad, because Israel buys a fucktonne of weapons from the US and a big part of the country is ridiculously pro-israel.
Yes it fucking is worse under trump and Democrats aren’t my fucking team.
Call me soulless all you fucking want, it won’t make it true. My friends died because of this fucking genocide. I want it to end and not because israel ran out of Palestinians. But you sitting there pretending like this was fixable in this election is asinine. Maybe in some fantasy land we would have had a decent candidate to vote for. But in reality I was given an option between a tyrannical fascist that would happily accelerate genocide, and an ineffectual slug that would slow play the genocide. A slower option is better than an accelerated one, even if both are horrendously bad.
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.
Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former.
We cannot live this contradiction in the USA anymore. Freedom and diversity for Americans means freedom and diversity for all humans. I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.
Whatever bullshit you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.
There’s no such thing as “inward” or “outward” fascism. You’re just making shit up.
It’s just fascism, and your inaction has directly led to it. Well done.
Edit: here’s one lovely reply to this comment that was removed. Totally normal. And let’s be clear, I have not denied nor supported any genocide, I simply said that fascism is fascism and you don’t break it into “internal” and “external”, and this is what someone feels they need to say to me:
God I want to feel the hardness of your skull as I punch you repeatedly again and again, ignoring you painal scream as I fucking stab you over and over.
Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former
Harris would’ve continued status quo, yes. But Trump wants to accelerate it. He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be. There is a non-zero chance of American boots on ground to help clear out any remaining Palestinians.
No shit, but it wasn’t available to vote for in the election. We can’t vote with hopes and dreams because our system is fucked. All we can pick is the lesser of two evils.
And I’m telling you that lesser of two evils will never beat Trump or fascism, full stop. You want to win you need actual opposition. Like you mentioned Mamdani, theres a reason he won handily.
I agree with you. There needs to be a real option to get anywhere. We’ve been circling the drain too long. And the DNC is ensuring it stays that way by keeping out real challengers. It’s maddening.
Why wasn’t it available to vote for in the election?
Oh right, because the one-term, transitional candidate Joe Brandon wanted his second term, and then rightfully got fucked in the debate with Trump.
If Democrats understood Trump’s threat to Democracy truly, they would have had primaries in 2024. Instead we got establishment picks that robbed our civic participation
Yes we have to pick the lesser of two evils in that moment, but for all the other moments leading up to the general and primary, like right now, Democrats could have ran a better candidate.
But they didn’t. And they aren’t right now.
Hopes and dreams are perfectly valid right now to throw out the establishment and start campaigning for candidates that don’t take AIPAC money
She offered no policy to Americans except “Trump is worse.” She will never beat Trump or fascism. Americans want fascism , fascism lite doesnt beat fascism. You want to beat fascism you need opposition
Harris advocated for limited government control of grocery and food prices, a cap on prescription drug costs, and expansion of the child tax credit.[17][18] On immigration, Harris supported increasing the number of Border Patrol agents and reforming the immigration system. On foreign policy, she supported continued military aid to Ukraine and Israel in their respective wars, but insisted that Israel should agree to a ceasefire and hostage deal and work towards a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Straight off Wikipedia because I’m not going to find better sources for a troll.
Not a fan of some of those (Immigration and continued support of Israel), but you can’t tell me that moderate government control over the fast-rising grocery prices or a cap on prescription drug costs is a bad thing? Also while the republican solution to a lack of children being born is to outlaw abortions and sex ed, she planned a large tax credit you’d get for having a newborn. How is that not a better solution to the birth crisis the conservatives are yelling about?
The thing is, a brown female candidate needs a ridiculously successful campaign to win for now. It’s not impossible at all. AOC may very well be the one who gets people out to vote. But she’ll also mobilize conservative voters to go vote for their guy, because she’s been such a boogeyman in their media, she’s literally seen as the devil by now. Trump antics aside, I don’t think she’d win 2028, but she may win 2032 or 2036 provided the pendulum* swings back by then. Of course if enough people are pissed off by Trump, things change and she may actually have a shot in 2028 - by being part of the force pulling the pendulum back.
Of course, the reason democrats don’t want her to win has nothing to do with her being female or even her being controversial with conservatives, she’s just too far left for them.
* It’s been said that politics swings on a pendulum and it’s so true it’s not even funny. Especially in the US because of how polarized it is. After Bush, people wanted something different. Obama was a neoliberal so not even that left-wing all things considered, but he was far more progressive than anyone else in recent years**. More importantly, he was black, and this was an important milestone as far as racial equality is concerned. But here’s the problem: People have inertia. You go too far in one direction, the pendulum pulls back. And it pulled back hard. In the last few years leading up to the 2016, racism started getting more and more rampant online. Same for all other sorts of bigotry. “SJW” became an insult. People were openly saying that black people are only getting shot by police because they’re all criminals. Obama was to blame for everything wrong with the country. That’s why Trump 2016 happened. Not because the Clinton campaign was weak (which it was - she was legitimately a better choice for president than Trump, but she was also boring and uninspiring, plus her husband is just as likely a kiddy diddler as Trump, except somehow with Trump it doesn’t matter). It was because of the sheer hatred boiling in a whole lot of Americans. Hatred against black people, against women, against sexual minorities. For things to get better again, the pendulum needs to swing back in the other direction. This means enough people being disillusioned enough with neoliberalism and conservatism that a sufficiently progressive candidate can destroy the establishment in the democratic primary and for democrats as a whole to embrace a new strategy, around new people.
** Yeah, let’s be honest, Obama was a war criminal just as much as Bush. He had other redeeming qualities, but this was not one. While Bush’s admin created the war on terror out of thin air (yay WMDs), the Obama admin accelerated the pace of drone strikes. This is something Trump was able to use as ammo against the dems. Dems are war criminals, vote for me, I’ll bring the troops home and stop bombing the middle east. What did he do? Well he didn’t stop bombing the middle east for sure, he kept on accelerating the pace of drone strikes just like Obama. Who cared? Nobody who voted for him. They only cared about it when Obama did it, and that Clinton was going to continue doing it. Same tactic was used last election cycle with Israel. Trump had NO intention of stopping supplying Israel with weapons. But a lot of people ate it up and didn’t vote for Harris. Again, was Harris a perfect candidate? No. Was she a great candidate? Not really. But would she have been a million times better domestically than Trump? Absolutely. But the narrative was shifted to focus only in the one area where she was nearly as bad as Trump. Not worse, just almost as bad. Not Gaza beach resort bad, but “Israel has a right to exist so we’ll keep giving them weapons to genocide the Palestinians” bad. This got a lot of potential voters to stay home. And all the people who said don’t vote for Harris, she’s a genocide enabler? Well pretty much none of them care about Trump being a genocide enabler, and they literally don’t care that Trump’s starting a SECOND genocide. So this is where we are right now: Conservatives can do no wrong. Trump can do no wrong, he’ll literally be praised as a god, no matter what he does. Genocide 65 million people on American soil? Hero. Crash the American economy? Literal god. That’s just how far right the pendulum is. But the harder right it goes, the harder left it’ll have to swing back eventually. I just hope it’s soon, because millions of lives are at stake. And when it does go all the way left, AOC is about the best candidate that the dems have right now.
Right now my biggest hope for the pendulum swinging back left is Mamdani. If he can actually win the election, deliver on his promises, and noticeably improve the living conditions of New Yorkers - this is the left’s best fighting chance right now. To build momentum out of it, news of improvements need to be broadcast everywhere in the US. It’ll take a whole lot of propaganda - and by propaganda I mean people just seeing the truth that’s being hidden from them by their existing propaganda networks. If Mamdani is successful and momentum is built, AOC has a real winning chance. Why Mamdani? Because he’s the most high profile socialist with a chance to do something real right now. In one of the most high profile cities, with a population of millions… that is being used by the right to criticize the left (fully ignoring that the problems in NYC are damn near all caused by capitalism).
Hopefully he accelerates it so quickly that Americans will actually push back. And if they still aren’t convinced to arm themselves and take to the streets at least they may start to use all their sick time and vacation time.
Lol at Americans pushing back at a genocide happening in another country
Never going to happen. It’ll just be a more thorough and fast genocide with increased US government support. The primary difference is that now there’s going to be TWO genocides because latinos in the US are another target. But of course Trump isn’t any worse than Harris.
I meant the acceleration into facism that would impact people’s lives. I agree, Americans (in general) won’t do anything too uncomfortable to defend people somewhere else. If he starts rounding up and killing Latinos I think there’d be a but more of a fuss.
At this rate it seems there’s two types of Latinos in the US. The progressive ones and the “Fuck you, got mine” ones that actively hate Latinos. Latinos for Trump is actively going to cheer as he rounds up and kills Latinos, as “we’re the good ones, he’s only killing the terrorists/illegals/etc”.
Mostly that “centrism” means a completely different thing in a working democracy with more than one and a half parties. It’s super common for Americans to view the whole world from the limited perspective of their screwed up politics, ignorant and unwilling to learn of how things are elsewhere.
Luckily thanks to you and liberals like you, instead of fighting back against the GOP in the 2 times these last 20 years where Democrats have had SUPER MAJORITIES in Congress, you passed half measures while playing identity politics.
We could have had meaningful, material improvements to people’s lives, a good marker of de-escalation of violence, but instead the DNC, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and liberals clung to their monopoly on the only counter party to the fascists we have.
You all are still coping that you lost the 2024 election, and you’re rutterless as to why
I have a clue: see what makes Zohran Mamdani so popular in New York. It has to do with rejecting the Democratic establishment and all the billionaire donors that back it
The irritating thing here is that so many people think we had other options available to vote for. I TRIED to vote for Bernie, DNC made sure that didn’t happen, I WANT to vote for someone that doesn’t support genocide, I WANT a candidate that says fuck Democrats, fuck Republicans, we are heading to the left full steam ahead. But that was never on the fucking ballot. And even if they were, we need all the sitting representatives and senators to be ousted too or they will have zero support institutionally and still get nothing done despite their position.
Now you get to ignorantly blame progressives for what was, ultimately, a Democrat policy failure. Bonus - doing so drives a wedge between Democrats! Yay! Good job!
Now how about you do something fucking constructive.
And it’s why I voted for harris. But I also understand that the prospect of “the best you can get” being an endless continuation of an untenable status quo that was trending worse even under a democratic president is why people stayed home.
The democrats had a choice between genocide and curbing fascism. Your savior party chose to starve kids over halt fascism. Why are “tankies” obligated to respect your bizarre utility calculation, but Kamala and the democrats are not?
What is your red line? Assuming in 30 years, when the choice is between a candidate who wants 9 genocides and a candidate who wants 10, will you still be militantly democrat? Is there no point at which you would start to call into question your genocidal, fascist, enslaving government?
You are still here at this discussion in 2025? I don’t get it man, I really don’t.
Did you understand that Harris was giving you a little treat just to continue a genocide? I guess by your comment that you are fine if those brown kids starve as long as you can still buy your favourite triple mcburger. Right? (͡•_ ͡• )
Guess what? Kamala will never beat Trump. Turns out neoliberalism wont beat Fascism. All she had to do was be an actual opposition. Crazy. I know its so hard to be against genocide, so hard!
I know it’s hard to understand for you, but thank god I can’t vote in the states. I’m just telling you what it is, you can cover your eyes and ears if you like.
Why not go direct that pompous judgmental energy at people who actually voted for Trump, instead of spending your time berating people for not wanting to keep enabling the massively undemocratic 2-party system that led to fascism in the first place?
(Edit: I genuinely believe this subject gets astroturfed online, there is no way that there is really this big a percentage of cowards and dumbfucks out there who sincerely think that leftists are more to blame for Trump than actual Trump voters. Maybe you’re too timid to engage with Trump voters directly so it’s easier for you to stay in safe liberal spaces and bully the leftists there instead?)
Because the single-issue voters who refused to vote for Harris contributed to changing the 2-party system they had, to a 1-party system now.
Do 3rd party activism between election cycles, not when MegaHitler is close to being elected.
Edit: to whoever keeps replying to this old comment and getting banned: yes, genocide is an important issue. Now there’s one more genocide and the old one is being accelerated because Trump wants a Gaza beach resort. But keep telling me how Trump is better than Harris.
You realize that you openly condone the rise the rapid spread of neo-fascism with the strawman argument of a single flawed foreign policy, right? (͡•_ ͡• )
Trump: convicted rapist, pedophile, misogynistic swine. Also failed businessman, pathological liar, corrupt to all hell. Sellout to Russia and the Nazis.
Harris: didn’t condemn Israel.
Fuck off ‘both sides’-ers
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I’m leaving this up.
A vote for Trump is a vote to end America. It really is that simple. If there is one thing I hope future generations rally around and condemn is Trump voters. I hope they are shamed for eternity.
Are you trying to sell me on him? America is a bipartisan genocidal scourge. It should be ended.
I bet you 1 million dollars your country is dependent on trade with America.
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America won’t disappear because some elderly man is throwing tantrums every day.
If that’s all you think it is then you’ve been under a rock.
Clearly the world is burning down. Not much has changed besides things being a bit more expensive.
And, you know, the dissolving of rights, kidnapping immigrants, putting children in handcuffs, the openly fascist plan being played out that just hit the 50% goal of destroying our government and replacing it with fascist theocracy, but yeah, pretty much the same as always, right?
Basically.
You’re the type of guy that’s going to throw the biggest fit when things finally impact you lol
I wish Lemmy had a remind me bot so I could come back to this comment in 6 months. It takes time for Trade and Tourism to drop off, and more time for the effects of that to be noticed by the average citizen who is having the reality of the situation hidden from them by the propaganda machine of the oligarchs.
@remindme@mstdn.social 6 months
@grue Ok, I will remind you on Thursday Feb 5, 2026 at 10:14 PM UTC.
We started realizing it on Friday but then Mango Mussolini shot the messenger.
America won’t disappear in 6 months either even if you are right.
And the Earth won’t disappear if we do nothing about global warming. It will just become uninhabital for human life.
So sure, the land mass will still exist, but maybe raise the bar a little bit…
I mean, I know this isn’t the point, but humans won’t go extinct then either.
Right. There will be small desperate colonies trying to figure out how to survive underground/in space, but humans won’t be extinct.
Raise. The fucking. Bar. A little.
This resigned nihilism is why we’re here in this situation, wishing we could smack people like you through the screen somehow.
Hey now! I voted for kamala!
A lot of what made the US a superpower has already disappeared. Its alliances with Europe and the Commonwealth. Its influence on global trade. Its influence on global institutions. Its soft power through things like USAID.
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Harris assured Trump voters that nothing would fundamentally change. The Democratic party is sitting on their thumbs while the fascists are taking over. Electoral politics don’t save us from fascism.
This this this this this this this this.
I have zero goddamn sympathy for any so-called “leftist” who didn’t vote for Kamala. You have condoned neo-facism to stroke your own ego. No two ways about it. At least now they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Tell me, how’s that self-righteousness taste?
I mean our only choices are Facists and cowardly facist enablers. Both sides really do suck…
Truly. It’s like having to choose between a punch in the mouth or having your skin shredded off with a cheese grater.
Like, i don’t want either of those things. Someone please choose for me.
I guess punch in the mouth? It doesn’t matter. Ppl are so tired of getting punched in the mouth they gave the cheese grater a try and did a lot of dmg.
Yes, I agree with that, how have you been lately
Meh 🤷♂️ living till I’m dying. Thx for asking !!! Have a nice day
Nice, it’s definitely a great day, I hope you are too, maybe we can talk
“The whole sale extermination of an entire race” is a little worse than “a punch in the mouth”.
Phew. Good thing Trump won and the genocide ended.
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Whataboutism
How is it whataboutism? It’s literally happening. It’s reality.
What exactly do you think whataboutism means?
What do you think it means?
There is genocide either way, this is more complex than one issue.
Oh? I thought there was just “a punch in the mouth”.
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You can make the point about trump being a criminally weirdo pervert fake businessman without misrepresenting (and therefore failing to learn from) the 2024 election.
Harris kicked tent poles out of the Big Tent™. This includes immigration (low latino turnout). It seems unserious to say it was just the blind eye to Israel’s genocide that lost the election, i haven’t seen a piece of evidence that bore out the genocide as Kamala’s sole reason for losing the popular vote.
Its also the case that republicans spend literally billions more on media and it leads to them dominating online spaces with pure spam. Online posting is never a substitute for knocking on doors, a thing the Kamala campaign failed to do sufficiently.
DNC apologists always being like “well they were trying to recruit more bigots” and then act surprised when the bigots and their overwhelming piles of media cash chase voters out of the Big Tent
Why are you separating russia and israel? Both are fascist states.
Well to be fair, Trump wanted to cooperate with Israel on a beach resort in Gaza, whereas Harris was just afraid of saying Israel bad, because Israel buys a fucktonne of weapons from the US and a big part of the country is ridiculously pro-israel.
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Kamala has no spine, she loves genocide.
What’s Trump done for you that you’re such a huge fan of his lmao
Trump didn’t stop genocide. In fact it’s markedly worse under him. This is more complex than one issue.
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Yes it fucking is worse under trump and Democrats aren’t my fucking team.
Call me soulless all you fucking want, it won’t make it true. My friends died because of this fucking genocide. I want it to end and not because israel ran out of Palestinians. But you sitting there pretending like this was fixable in this election is asinine. Maybe in some fantasy land we would have had a decent candidate to vote for. But in reality I was given an option between a tyrannical fascist that would happily accelerate genocide, and an ineffectual slug that would slow play the genocide. A slower option is better than an accelerated one, even if both are horrendously bad.
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Never once denied that genocide was happening. Your reading comprehension sucks man. Show me where I said there is no genocide.
Oh, you didn’t get the memo? Everyone has always opposed Israel now.
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I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.
Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former.
We cannot live this contradiction in the USA anymore. Freedom and diversity for Americans means freedom and diversity for all humans. I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
Whatever bullshit you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.
There’s no such thing as “inward” or “outward” fascism. You’re just making shit up.
It’s just fascism, and your inaction has directly led to it. Well done.
Edit: here’s one lovely reply to this comment that was removed. Totally normal. And let’s be clear, I have not denied nor supported any genocide, I simply said that fascism is fascism and you don’t break it into “internal” and “external”, and this is what someone feels they need to say to me:
Here’s their profile: https://thelemmy.club/u/wowAnotherPos
Normal stuff. Comment is deleted, but still has 2 points.
This is because I’m angry at people who refused to vote for Kamala. That means I deserve to be violently stabbed to death apparently.
Is it not liberals’ agenda to retain some semblance of civil rights, while at the same time upholding foreign policy?
Gay Nazis are still Nazis.
You’re dreaming of a state of affairs that doesn’t exist.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
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I’m starting to believe there are many zionist here posting as liberals just to not be covered by insults.
Bluemaga liberals are Zionists, ultimately
You’re right, liberalism doesn’t compare to fascism.
All it does is enable it though, which according to you shitlibs, is just as bad as the fascists themselves.
Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?
Who are you talking to? Do you think I need to be a liberal in order to be able to state the obvious that they’re different than fascists?
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My friend, I said it’s ALL fascism.
You are a very angry person and I think you should seek help.
Don’t fucking threaten to murder me again.
You contradict yourself, if “it’s just fascism”, then it was already fascism when the Democrats were doing it overseas
Did I fucking say it wasn’t? Jesus Christ, you people need to focus your ire on those who actually deserve it.
I SAID THAT IT’S ALL FASCISM. Learn to fucking read.
Harris would’ve continued status quo, yes. But Trump wants to accelerate it. He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be. There is a non-zero chance of American boots on ground to help clear out any remaining Palestinians.
Good thing in the years leading up to October 7th, when Democrats were in office, we couldn’t force Israel to adopt a one-state solution.
Obama, Biden, Harris, they’re all complicit in the aggressive approach of Israel towards the apartheid and genocide they commit today.
And not just today. For the past 75+ years
Kamala will never beat Trump, shes crazy unpopular and neoliberalism is dead. You need an opposition to fascism, pretty simple.
No shit, but it wasn’t available to vote for in the election. We can’t vote with hopes and dreams because our system is fucked. All we can pick is the lesser of two evils.
And I’m telling you that lesser of two evils will never beat Trump or fascism, full stop. You want to win you need actual opposition. Like you mentioned Mamdani, theres a reason he won handily.
I agree with you. There needs to be a real option to get anywhere. We’ve been circling the drain too long. And the DNC is ensuring it stays that way by keeping out real challengers. It’s maddening.
Why wasn’t it available to vote for in the election?
Oh right, because the one-term, transitional candidate Joe Brandon wanted his second term, and then rightfully got fucked in the debate with Trump.
If Democrats understood Trump’s threat to Democracy truly, they would have had primaries in 2024. Instead we got establishment picks that robbed our civic participation
Yes we have to pick the lesser of two evils in that moment, but for all the other moments leading up to the general and primary, like right now, Democrats could have ran a better candidate.
But they didn’t. And they aren’t right now.
Hopes and dreams are perfectly valid right now to throw out the establishment and start campaigning for candidates that don’t take AIPAC money
I would love to see the DNC destroyed. They’ve been at the forefront of shoveling fascist lite candidates in front.
Hoping I get to vote for a Mamdani or similar in the future.
Well of course she wouldn’t, she’s a woman and America is crazy sexist.
Biden did, with nothing but neoliberalism and status quo. So there, Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.
She offered no policy to Americans except “Trump is worse.” She will never beat Trump or fascism. Americans want fascism , fascism lite doesnt beat fascism. You want to beat fascism you need opposition
Less than a third want fascism, and even then, some people that voted for Trump are getting their faces eaten by leopards.
We need progressive opposition politicians that can speak to what Americans want: affordability, equity, health care.
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True
Straight off Wikipedia because I’m not going to find better sources for a troll.
Not a fan of some of those (Immigration and continued support of Israel), but you can’t tell me that moderate government control over the fast-rising grocery prices or a cap on prescription drug costs is a bad thing? Also while the republican solution to a lack of children being born is to outlaw abortions and sex ed, she planned a large tax credit you’d get for having a newborn. How is that not a better solution to the birth crisis the conservatives are yelling about?
This is big “Hitler made the trains run on time” energy.
…but the other guy is LITERALLY TRYING TO BUILD A RESORT IN GAZA. How is he better???
neoliberals want neoliberalism and they pretend that harris lost because she’s a woman in order to shut out AOC.
Some 67% of Gen Z white men voted Trump thanks to the manosphere influencers but go off on how America isn’t growing increasingly sexist lol
Oh, it’s increasingly sexist all right. Democrats are now saying that women can’t win because they don’t want a particular woman to run.
The thing is, a brown female candidate needs a ridiculously successful campaign to win for now. It’s not impossible at all. AOC may very well be the one who gets people out to vote. But she’ll also mobilize conservative voters to go vote for their guy, because she’s been such a boogeyman in their media, she’s literally seen as the devil by now. Trump antics aside, I don’t think she’d win 2028, but she may win 2032 or 2036 provided the pendulum* swings back by then. Of course if enough people are pissed off by Trump, things change and she may actually have a shot in 2028 - by being part of the force pulling the pendulum back.
Of course, the reason democrats don’t want her to win has nothing to do with her being female or even her being controversial with conservatives, she’s just too far left for them.
* It’s been said that politics swings on a pendulum and it’s so true it’s not even funny. Especially in the US because of how polarized it is. After Bush, people wanted something different. Obama was a neoliberal so not even that left-wing all things considered, but he was far more progressive than anyone else in recent years**. More importantly, he was black, and this was an important milestone as far as racial equality is concerned. But here’s the problem: People have inertia. You go too far in one direction, the pendulum pulls back. And it pulled back hard. In the last few years leading up to the 2016, racism started getting more and more rampant online. Same for all other sorts of bigotry. “SJW” became an insult. People were openly saying that black people are only getting shot by police because they’re all criminals. Obama was to blame for everything wrong with the country. That’s why Trump 2016 happened. Not because the Clinton campaign was weak (which it was - she was legitimately a better choice for president than Trump, but she was also boring and uninspiring, plus her husband is just as likely a kiddy diddler as Trump, except somehow with Trump it doesn’t matter). It was because of the sheer hatred boiling in a whole lot of Americans. Hatred against black people, against women, against sexual minorities. For things to get better again, the pendulum needs to swing back in the other direction. This means enough people being disillusioned enough with neoliberalism and conservatism that a sufficiently progressive candidate can destroy the establishment in the democratic primary and for democrats as a whole to embrace a new strategy, around new people.
** Yeah, let’s be honest, Obama was a war criminal just as much as Bush. He had other redeeming qualities, but this was not one. While Bush’s admin created the war on terror out of thin air (yay WMDs), the Obama admin accelerated the pace of drone strikes. This is something Trump was able to use as ammo against the dems. Dems are war criminals, vote for me, I’ll bring the troops home and stop bombing the middle east. What did he do? Well he didn’t stop bombing the middle east for sure, he kept on accelerating the pace of drone strikes just like Obama. Who cared? Nobody who voted for him. They only cared about it when Obama did it, and that Clinton was going to continue doing it. Same tactic was used last election cycle with Israel. Trump had NO intention of stopping supplying Israel with weapons. But a lot of people ate it up and didn’t vote for Harris. Again, was Harris a perfect candidate? No. Was she a great candidate? Not really. But would she have been a million times better domestically than Trump? Absolutely. But the narrative was shifted to focus only in the one area where she was nearly as bad as Trump. Not worse, just almost as bad. Not Gaza beach resort bad, but “Israel has a right to exist so we’ll keep giving them weapons to genocide the Palestinians” bad. This got a lot of potential voters to stay home. And all the people who said don’t vote for Harris, she’s a genocide enabler? Well pretty much none of them care about Trump being a genocide enabler, and they literally don’t care that Trump’s starting a SECOND genocide. So this is where we are right now: Conservatives can do no wrong. Trump can do no wrong, he’ll literally be praised as a god, no matter what he does. Genocide 65 million people on American soil? Hero. Crash the American economy? Literal god. That’s just how far right the pendulum is. But the harder right it goes, the harder left it’ll have to swing back eventually. I just hope it’s soon, because millions of lives are at stake. And when it does go all the way left, AOC is about the best candidate that the dems have right now.
Right now my biggest hope for the pendulum swinging back left is Mamdani. If he can actually win the election, deliver on his promises, and noticeably improve the living conditions of New Yorkers - this is the left’s best fighting chance right now. To build momentum out of it, news of improvements need to be broadcast everywhere in the US. It’ll take a whole lot of propaganda - and by propaganda I mean people just seeing the truth that’s being hidden from them by their existing propaganda networks. If Mamdani is successful and momentum is built, AOC has a real winning chance. Why Mamdani? Because he’s the most high profile socialist with a chance to do something real right now. In one of the most high profile cities, with a population of millions… that is being used by the right to criticize the left (fully ignoring that the problems in NYC are damn near all caused by capitalism).
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Hopefully he accelerates it so quickly that Americans will actually push back. And if they still aren’t convinced to arm themselves and take to the streets at least they may start to use all their sick time and vacation time.
Lol at Americans pushing back at a genocide happening in another country
Never going to happen. It’ll just be a more thorough and fast genocide with increased US government support. The primary difference is that now there’s going to be TWO genocides because latinos in the US are another target. But of course Trump isn’t any worse than Harris.
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I meant the acceleration into facism that would impact people’s lives. I agree, Americans (in general) won’t do anything too uncomfortable to defend people somewhere else. If he starts rounding up and killing Latinos I think there’d be a but more of a fuss.
But will there?
At this rate it seems there’s two types of Latinos in the US. The progressive ones and the “Fuck you, got mine” ones that actively hate Latinos. Latinos for Trump is actively going to cheer as he rounds up and kills Latinos, as “we’re the good ones, he’s only killing the terrorists/illegals/etc”.
Luckily thanks to you and others like you they lost. Yay! Good job!
Now what?
Centrism will never bear fascism, you need actual opposition. Crazy how you all still dont realize this yet? How long will it take?
What do you mean, “you all”? I’m not American.
What does your reading comprehension level have to do with being American lmao
Mostly that “centrism” means a completely different thing in a working democracy with more than one and a half parties. It’s super common for Americans to view the whole world from the limited perspective of their screwed up politics, ignorant and unwilling to learn of how things are elsewhere.
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Luckily thanks to you and liberals like you, instead of fighting back against the GOP in the 2 times these last 20 years where Democrats have had SUPER MAJORITIES in Congress, you passed half measures while playing identity politics.
We could have had meaningful, material improvements to people’s lives, a good marker of de-escalation of violence, but instead the DNC, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and liberals clung to their monopoly on the only counter party to the fascists we have.
You all are still coping that you lost the 2024 election, and you’re rutterless as to why
I have a clue: see what makes Zohran Mamdani so popular in New York. It has to do with rejecting the Democratic establishment and all the billionaire donors that back it
The irritating thing here is that so many people think we had other options available to vote for. I TRIED to vote for Bernie, DNC made sure that didn’t happen, I WANT to vote for someone that doesn’t support genocide, I WANT a candidate that says fuck Democrats, fuck Republicans, we are heading to the left full steam ahead. But that was never on the fucking ballot. And even if they were, we need all the sitting representatives and senators to be ousted too or they will have zero support institutionally and still get nothing done despite their position.
I don’t even live in the USA, fuck off with this bullshit.
Stay out of our fucking politics then!!
Now you get to ignorantly blame progressives for what was, ultimately, a Democrat policy failure. Bonus - doing so drives a wedge between Democrats! Yay! Good job!
Now how about you do something fucking constructive.
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Yeah supporting genocide makes you unpopular crazy! surprise surprise fascism lite wont beat fascism. Kamala Harris will never beat Trump sorry
Wow. You really thought no accomplishments but arming a genocide was a winning message, huh?
Perfect is the enemy of better than the worst option
Don’t bother. This guy doesn’t live in your reality.
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A well crafted and witty retort indeed. Well done.
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Your idea of perfection couldn’t run. After all, he’s the Israeli prime minister.
Fuck Bibi too, but “nothing will change” is a whole fucking lot better than concentration camps in Florida and El Salvador.
And it’s why I voted for harris. But I also understand that the prospect of “the best you can get” being an endless continuation of an untenable status quo that was trending worse even under a democratic president is why people stayed home.
Actually no, doing a Holocaust is not “a whole fucking lot better than concentration camps in Florida and El Salvador.”
Do you think Trump being in office somehow improved the situation in Gaza?
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It was a longer period of time, and now it’s accelerating you dumb fuck.
Whataboutism
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Yes, I’m sure they love the acceleration your picture shows since January.
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I don’t think we have to issue death threats to liberals to get our point across.
You doing so are perpetuating the “tankie” stereotype.
Maybe imply it, but don’t Fed post.
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True!
The democrats had a choice between genocide and curbing fascism. Your savior party chose to starve kids over halt fascism. Why are “tankies” obligated to respect your bizarre utility calculation, but Kamala and the democrats are not?
What is your red line? Assuming in 30 years, when the choice is between a candidate who wants 9 genocides and a candidate who wants 10, will you still be militantly democrat? Is there no point at which you would start to call into question your genocidal, fascist, enslaving government?
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You are still here at this discussion in 2025? I don’t get it man, I really don’t.
Did you understand that Harris was giving you a little treat just to continue a genocide? I guess by your comment that you are fine if those brown kids starve as long as you can still buy your favourite triple mcburger. Right? (͡•_ ͡• )
Your single-issue principles contributed to us being stuck again with Trump.
And guess what? The kids are starving even worse now, and being gunned down, when they’re not being bombed. You must be really proud of yourself.
Guess what? Kamala will never beat Trump. Turns out neoliberalism wont beat Fascism. All she had to do was be an actual opposition. Crazy. I know its so hard to be against genocide, so hard!
I know it’s hard to understand for you, but thank god I can’t vote in the states. I’m just telling you what it is, you can cover your eyes and ears if you like.
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Why not go direct that pompous judgmental energy at people who actually voted for Trump, instead of spending your time berating people for not wanting to keep enabling the massively undemocratic 2-party system that led to fascism in the first place?
(Edit: I genuinely believe this subject gets astroturfed online, there is no way that there is really this big a percentage of cowards and dumbfucks out there who sincerely think that leftists are more to blame for Trump than actual Trump voters. Maybe you’re too timid to engage with Trump voters directly so it’s easier for you to stay in safe liberal spaces and bully the leftists there instead?)
Because the single-issue voters who refused to vote for Harris contributed to changing the 2-party system they had, to a 1-party system now.
Do 3rd party activism between election cycles, not when MegaHitler is close to being elected.
Edit: to whoever keeps replying to this old comment and getting banned: yes, genocide is an important issue. Now there’s one more genocide and the old one is being accelerated because Trump wants a Gaza beach resort. But keep telling me how Trump is better than Harris.
You mean like… now?
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You realize that you openly condone the rise the rapid spread of neo-fascism with the strawman argument of a single flawed foreign policy, right? (͡•_ ͡• )