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  • Chozo
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    07 months ago

    People can have more than one thing they consider important, you know. “This one thing that matters to me is happening, no other events are relevant” is a poor mindset, IMO.

    Besides, would Trump be handling Israel any better than Biden? Does he have some soft spot for Gaza that we’re all unaware of? Because I’m pretty sure he’s been sucking Netanyahu’s dick for years already, too.

    • Adlach
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      7 months ago

      When that one thing is a genocide, I think it’s pretty fair to focus on. We’re not talking about our candidate’s favorite flavor of ice cream.

      If neither candidate will stop the genocide, it’s our responsibility to refuse both candidates. Voting for Hindenburg didn’t stop the Holocaust.

      • Chozo
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        07 months ago

        If neither candidate will stop the genocide, it’s our responsibility to refuse both candidates.

        Okay, well reality doesn’t really afford us this option, as much as we’d like it. We can piss and moan all day about what we should do, but that’s a separate discussion from what we can do. And what we can do is make our votes be as impactful as possible with the options we have available.

        • Adlach
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          7 months ago

          You can do much more than vote. There’s people getting beat to shit by cops all over the country proving it.

          This whole ‘you have a moral obligation to vote for 99% Hitler’ thing is pretty tired, as the logical conclusion of that line of reasoning is that you should vote for Hitler if anyone worse than Hitler is on the ballot.

          • Chozo
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            07 months ago

            You can do much more than vote.

            Right, but this is specifically about the election, where the one and only thing you can do is vote. At the end of the day, we’re all still looking at the same two options on the ballot, that part isn’t changing.

            • Adlach
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              07 months ago

              All appearances to the contrary, I am going to vote. I’m voting for the PSL candidate, Claudia de la Cruz, because she does not support genocide.

              • Chozo
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                07 months ago

                Oh, you believe in the viability of a third party vote in 2024. Sorry, I thought I was taking to a serious person, my bad.

                • Adlach
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                  7 months ago

                  Yes, I refuse to vote for genocide. No, I’m not under the impression de la Cruz will win the presidency.

                  You do not have the moral high ground here, friend, and trying to talk down to people will not help you reclaim it.

                  • Chozo
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                    07 months ago

                    I’m not giving Trump an advantage by throwing away my vote, so I’d argue that I do have a moral high ground in this case. By (effectively) not voting, you’re demonstrating that you wanna see how Trump will handle Israel, instead. That’s not a concession I’m willing to make, myself.