• @AIhasUse@lemmy.world
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      06 months ago

      I’m not vegan, and I never said anyone should be. Factory farms are the issue, not the consumption of animal products. Get some eggs from a local farmer, no big deal, enjoy, they’re delicious. Just don’t think for an instant that you have no guilt if you are shoveling a huge portion of the cash you earn to billionaires who torture animals and destroy the planet. You are guilty if this is what you do, and no amount of idiotic anger towards vegans who point out the obvious will make you innocent. You have to actually change if you don’t want to be responsible for this. Angrily trying to shut down anyone who points out your disgusting selfish addiction won’t do you. Grow up or shut up.

    • @treadful@lemmy.zip
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      06 months ago

      You came in here with your absolutist utilitarian life above all else or we all die post just to respond with this because someone suggested you to stop eating meat. Beautiful.

    • @Teppichbrand@feddit.org
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      06 months ago

      I don’t agree. The comment points out the single most easy and effektive move an individal without political nor financial power can make to cut personal co2-emissions with just a change of habit. It’s not about animal rights and not about your health. Us still eating meat even though we know better is an incredibly dumb waste of energy for the sake of pleasure, exactly like this shitty powereating globe.

        • @AIhasUse@lemmy.world
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          06 months ago

          And you are one of those “every problem on the planet is the fault of someone else other than me so I can do whatever I want with no regard for it’s affect on anyone else” people. Stay away from us if you can’t be bothered to carry your own weight, you just drag down people who actually give a shit about something other than their own immediate selfish gratification.

            • @AIhasUse@lemmy.world
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              06 months ago

              There are things in your power to change and things out of your power to change. What you are doing is sadly trying to excuse yourself from doing what you can do because of the existence of things you can’t. It’s absolutely because you are lazy. If everyone were like you, we would be screwed. As it is, the good things come from people who are not like you. You’re welcome. As someone who tries to help, you are a burden we have to deal with, we would appreciate it if you picked up some rope and helped us pull instead of just laying on the sled complaining.

            • @Teppichbrand@feddit.org
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              05 months ago

              The Top 1% have the power to cause so much damage. You most likely belong to the Top 10% and your reasoning is exactly the same: “Not my fault. Why would I change, as long as everyone else doesn’t.” But Prioners dilemma makes it worse for everyone involved. So be a better person than them, be the change you want to see in them and stop pointing fingers like a spoiled kid.

      • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        06 months ago

        The comment points out the single most effektive move an individal without political nor financial power can make to cut personal co2-emissions with just a change of habit.

        eating meat doesn’t emit co2

        • @danc4498@lemmy.world
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          06 months ago

          Producing that meat does.

          Note that the commenter didn’t say to quit all eating meat. They just said to quit eating “factory farmed” meat.

          It’s not about eating meat, it’s about factory farming the meat and the damage to the environment caused by it.

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              If you are spending money on this meat, you are financing the industry. It’s not that complicated

              • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                06 months ago

                If you are spending money on factory farmed meat, you are financing the industry.

                regardless of what i (or you) spend my (or your) money on, the industry continues to grow. if i get hit by a bus today on my way home from work and die, the meat industry, i guarantee you, will not notice. they will continue to grow, producing more meat this year than last, and more next year than this.

                • @danc4498@lemmy.world
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                  06 months ago

                  That is the cynical reason for not doing anything ever to help the world.

                  Why should I vote? I’m one person and that will never make a difference.

                  Why should I recycle? I’m just one person and that will never make a difference.

                  Why should I donate to charity? I’m just one person and that will never make a difference.

                  Anything that you could do individually to help the world will make zero noticeable impact so long as you are the only one doing it. But collectively, the more people doing it the more of an impact it will have.

                  And how do we get a larger community of people to start something like this? Oh, I don’t know, maybe send your idea out on a forum of like minded people (such as people expressing concern about the environment) and hope to inspire others that actually care to make a change in their own habits.

                  • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    06 months ago

                    And how do we get a larger community of people to start something like this? Oh, I don’t know, maybe send your idea out on a forum of like minded people (such as people expressing concern about the environment) and hope to inspire others that actually care to make a change in their own habits.

                    let me know how that works out for you.

                  • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    06 months ago

                    Why should I vote? I’m one person and that will never make a difference.

                    voting is disanalogous to buying food. big meat doesn’t win or lose one day every four years.

                  • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    06 months ago

                    Anything that you could do individually to help the world will make zero noticeable impact so long as you are the only one doing it.

                    that’s not true.

                  • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    06 months ago

                    Why should I donate to charity? I’m just one person and that will never make a difference.

                    often, charities are able to show exactly how much money it takes to accomplish their goals. $0.11/day to feed a child is one that’s stuck with me. but regardless, i think charity is a societal ill and we should be building societies that are not so stratified, so that charities are superfluous. instead of donating to charity, spend your resources building a more egalitarian society.

                  • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    06 months ago

                    Why should I recycle? I’m just one person and that will never make a difference.

                    well that’s probably true. the real issue is the wasteful packaging produced, and no matter how much you recycle, that’s never going to curb the amount of wasteful packaging produced.

                  • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    06 months ago

                    collectively, the more people doing it the more of an impact it will have.

                    well, duh. but there are still effective things you can do to help the environment. buying beans isn’t one of them.

                  • @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                    06 months ago

                    That is the cynical reason for not doing anything ever to help the world.

                    it’s a very good reason not to do things that aren’t effective.

      • @Jrockwar@feddit.uk
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        06 months ago

        Take a train instead of a flight. Cycle to work or take public transport instead of driving. Install a heat pump or solar in your house. There are a million things people can do to cut down their emissions that can be as effective as becoming herbivores, depending on each one’s personal situation.

        Plus, I don’t have the numbers in my head but I’m pretty sure a locally grown fillet of chicken is more environmentally friendly than an avocado that has travelled across the Atlantic, so “buy local” would be probably better advice.

        • @Teppichbrand@feddit.org
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          06 months ago

          Yeah, so many things one should do. Yet nothing is as simple as paying for a different product next time you’re shopping your groceries.
          Avocados are way less harmfull to our planet than local meat. People keep bringing this up so often it’s part of the Vegan Bullshit Bingo.