I don’t know why I keep arguing with a troll, but maybe someone else will read this:
“I alone can’t change anything” is a premature excuse to shift responsibility to others. But you are responsible for your life and your actions. Be a good role model because you can.
Our survival as a species is at stake in the medium term, our coexistence and our democracy are threatened. There is no CO2 budget left, we need to globally stop emissions immediately. Every ton counts, every decimal point, because at 2.6 degrees humanity does not cease to exist, it just suffers even more than at 2.59 degrees.
There are big destroyers, we all know them by now. At the same time, even if these corporations disappeared immediately, we would still exceed the 1.5 degree target just through our reckless diet. Why do you push this responsibility away?
We need to change on all levels and as you most likely won’t blow up a pipeline, you can start with your diet right now:
Next time you’re shopping for groceries, save 2/3 of the land area, water consumption and CO2 emissions by buying a different product. Instead, you argue because you simply want to keep eating cheese sandwiches. Sounds so cynical and pathetic to me.
water and land aren’t going anywhere. and all of agriculture is only about 20% of our emissions, and since we need to eat, we should be looking at other methods of saving the environment.
the claim is that by not consuming factory farmed meat, you make an impact on the amount of emissions from its production. this is not true. it is also not analogous to raping anyone.
You honestly think that factory farm emissions font change if people don’t give them money for their product? If your head was any further down in the sand, the magma would melt it.
Analogies don’t indicate a similar level of morality. They are used to explain points to people who, for some reason, are unwilling or unable to otherwise understand.
Analogies don’t indicate a similar level of morality.
i didnt suggest they did. i’m saying that buying food is disanalagous to rape.
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to be clear, rape is wrong. buying food is not. you don’t not-rape in order to reduce rape. you don’t-rape because rape is wrong. by contrast, the goal of not-buying meat is to reduce the environmental impact of the meat industry. if that doesn’t work, then not-buying meat is not a moral duty (at least, not for that reason. it’s possible there is some other reason, but that’s not the topic being discussed).
What if you buy food from someone you know murdered children to get it? It’s so obviously wrong that buying food is never an immoral act. If you are interested in having philosophical conversations, then you really need to go back to the basics. At this point, you’re trying to join an archery competition with a nurf toy. There are undeniably immoral ways to get food. Destroying the planet and torturing animals for slightly cheaper food that you do not absolutely need to survive is absolutely immoral. The reason it is so hard for you to see this is because you are an addict making excuses. Not because you are starving and need the cheapest, most despicable food.
Guess again. Almost certainly, you are contributing a significant portion of your energy and money to billionaires who torture animals in ways that you would be unable to even watch.
I’ve been wrong plenty before, but I would be astonished if you are capable of even viewing the atrocities that you commit. That’s how disgusting the things people hire billionaires to do in the name of cheap meat it.
That’s progress! You’re on a good track. Not sure if you’re the same one I sent this link to or not, but if you want to see the living conditions of the animals in the meat system are, here you go. You can judge the morality of it on your own.
It absolutely does. You would be able to see it if the addiction in question was cheap animal products. Your brain is clouded by the fact that since food is required to live, then no food can be an addiction. You’re simply wrong. You and many people can be addicted to cheap, unhealthy food that harms the planet. As a result of it, you excise your own deplorable behavior.
Because if not, then you are putting your own mere 20 minutes of pleasure higher than entire lives of tight, confined, indoor, away from their children and parents, raped, drugged, mutilated while alive of animals. There is no chance that if an animal was living like this on your property such that you had to see it daily, you wouldn’t save it. As it is, nearly everyone happily hires billionaires to do it for them. Most of the time they hide behind “but I neeeeeed foooood!!!”. I’ve not given those scumbags a penny in many years, and I’m alive, I’m not rich, and I am absolutely well nourished. I’ve recently done multiple marathons.
Yes, I have. The millions of us who choose not to help those assholes cause them to make less emissions. Unfortunately, there are still people like you who live without caring about anyone but their own immediate gratification.
Yes, I have. The millions of us who choose not to help those assholes causes them to make less e missions. Unfortunately there are still people like you who live without caring about anyone but their own immediate gratification.
So you think that factory farms that sell 1 ton of meat make the exact same emission as factory farms that sell 1,000 tons of meat? You are simply wrong, selling more meat allows them to grow, bigger farms make more emissions. You must really love your .99 cent hot dogs to be defending them so must with such a lack of logic.
I know there is no changing your mind, your a crackhead defending beating up children to sell their tennis shoes, but in any other case where we are not talking about your personal addiction this would all be pai fully obvious to you. I guess one nice side of this is that your chemically altered animal food addiction is destroying your bodily, and you won’t be around as long to keep forcing your selfishness on us. I just hope that your papa bear animal hellhole billionaire role models go away before you die of the diseases they are selling you.
no, it doesnt. despite the existence of vegans, meat production increases every year, year over year.
No it doesn’t, Commie
you’re cherrypicking.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL
What is your point?
my point is that buying meat (or not) has no impact on the environment.
I don’t know why I keep arguing with a troll, but maybe someone else will read this:
“I alone can’t change anything” is a premature excuse to shift responsibility to others. But you are responsible for your life and your actions. Be a good role model because you can.
Our survival as a species is at stake in the medium term, our coexistence and our democracy are threatened. There is no CO2 budget left, we need to globally stop emissions immediately. Every ton counts, every decimal point, because at 2.6 degrees humanity does not cease to exist, it just suffers even more than at 2.59 degrees.
There are big destroyers, we all know them by now. At the same time, even if these corporations disappeared immediately, we would still exceed the 1.5 degree target just through our reckless diet. Why do you push this responsibility away?
We need to change on all levels and as you most likely won’t blow up a pipeline, you can start with your diet right now: Next time you’re shopping for groceries, save 2/3 of the land area, water consumption and CO2 emissions by buying a different product. Instead, you argue because you simply want to keep eating cheese sandwiches. Sounds so cynical and pathetic to me.
i never said that. i said that buying beans doesn’t change anything.
water and land aren’t going anywhere. and all of agriculture is only about 20% of our emissions, and since we need to eat, we should be looking at other methods of saving the environment.
calling me names doesn’t change whether what i’m saying is true.
And there’s crime so you might as well rape. What a pathetic cop out. You’re lucky there are so many people taking care of you.
the claim is that by not consuming factory farmed meat, you make an impact on the amount of emissions from its production. this is not true. it is also not analogous to raping anyone.
You honestly think that factory farm emissions font change if people don’t give them money for their product? If your head was any further down in the sand, the magma would melt it.
Analogies don’t indicate a similar level of morality. They are used to explain points to people who, for some reason, are unwilling or unable to otherwise understand.
this is a thought terminating cliche
i didnt suggest they did. i’m saying that buying food is disanalagous to rape.
edit
to be clear, rape is wrong. buying food is not. you don’t not-rape in order to reduce rape. you don’t-rape because rape is wrong. by contrast, the goal of not-buying meat is to reduce the environmental impact of the meat industry. if that doesn’t work, then not-buying meat is not a moral duty (at least, not for that reason. it’s possible there is some other reason, but that’s not the topic being discussed).
What if you buy food from someone you know murdered children to get it? It’s so obviously wrong that buying food is never an immoral act. If you are interested in having philosophical conversations, then you really need to go back to the basics. At this point, you’re trying to join an archery competition with a nurf toy. There are undeniably immoral ways to get food. Destroying the planet and torturing animals for slightly cheaper food that you do not absolutely need to survive is absolutely immoral. The reason it is so hard for you to see this is because you are an addict making excuses. Not because you are starving and need the cheapest, most despicable food.
no one is torturing animals
Guess again. Almost certainly, you are contributing a significant portion of your energy and money to billionaires who torture animals in ways that you would be unable to even watch.
https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko
I’ve been wrong plenty before, but I would be astonished if you are capable of even viewing the atrocities that you commit. That’s how disgusting the things people hire billionaires to do in the name of cheap meat it.
this YouTube video sucks
you should give it trigger warning before you link gore
i am not in your youtube video at all. don’t lie.
I allowed that there may be some reason buying some food might be immoral.
That’s progress! You’re on a good track. Not sure if you’re the same one I sent this link to or not, but if you want to see the living conditions of the animals in the meat system are, here you go. You can judge the morality of it on your own.
https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko
this YouTube video sucks
you should give it trigger warning before your link gore
you accusation of addiction is a personal attack. it has no bearing on the truth of any of the claims I’ve made.
It absolutely does. You would be able to see it if the addiction in question was cheap animal products. Your brain is clouded by the fact that since food is required to live, then no food can be an addiction. You’re simply wrong. You and many people can be addicted to cheap, unhealthy food that harms the planet. As a result of it, you excise your own deplorable behavior.
saying it doesn’t make it true.
are you a psychologist? are you my psychologist? frankly, you are acting irresponsibly and you should consider staying in your own expertise.
why is the bar “absolute need for survival”?
Because if not, then you are putting your own mere 20 minutes of pleasure higher than entire lives of tight, confined, indoor, away from their children and parents, raped, drugged, mutilated while alive of animals. There is no chance that if an animal was living like this on your property such that you had to see it daily, you wouldn’t save it. As it is, nearly everyone happily hires billionaires to do it for them. Most of the time they hide behind “but I neeeeeed foooood!!!”. I’ve not given those scumbags a penny in many years, and I’m alive, I’m not rich, and I am absolutely well nourished. I’ve recently done multiple marathons.
the animal is dead long before i decide what to eat. my decision is not a value judgement on their lives.
I thought we were discussing ecological impacts. this seems to be an entirely different r discussion.
no one hires billionaires.
have you tried that?
Yes, I have. The millions of us who choose not to help those assholes cause them to make less emissions. Unfortunately, there are still people like you who live without caring about anyone but their own immediate gratification.
Yes, I have. The millions of us who choose not to help those assholes causes them to make less e missions. Unfortunately there are still people like you who live without caring about anyone but their own immediate gratification.
that has never happened
So you think that factory farms that sell 1 ton of meat make the exact same emission as factory farms that sell 1,000 tons of meat? You are simply wrong, selling more meat allows them to grow, bigger farms make more emissions. You must really love your .99 cent hot dogs to be defending them so must with such a lack of logic.
I know there is no changing your mind, your a crackhead defending beating up children to sell their tennis shoes, but in any other case where we are not talking about your personal addiction this would all be pai fully obvious to you. I guess one nice side of this is that your chemically altered animal food addiction is destroying your bodily, and you won’t be around as long to keep forcing your selfishness on us. I just hope that your papa bear animal hellhole billionaire role models go away before you die of the diseases they are selling you.
no one said that. what i said is that emissions from agriculture have always risen, so it can’t be that anything you’ve done has decreased them.