In todays episode of “Plex enshittifies” Plex employee breaks ToS.
Source: https://forums.plex.tv/t/fake-reviews-on-play-store-by-plex-staff/917736
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The desperate becomes even more desperate.
Counterpoint: when I worked at Panda Express, I used to leave fake reviews on our store about how helpful and professional pp_boy_ was because I wanted a raise. Never did it on any accounts attached to my name though.
lol, did he have the AI bros in marketing write it too? If they’re gonna do this they could at least write their own bullshit…
Marketing probably asked everyone to write a review on their internal Slack or something.
Dude just could have said something like,“Hey, I’m a developer of Plex and have really enjoyed my experience using it. Let me know if you’d like to see something added/fixed.”
This would’ve been the best response. Leaving 5 star review on your company’s product + signalling transparency and good communication with costumers? One stone two birds.
Hence why you should never trust proprietary software (or even hardware if you wish)
I’m not a fan of Plex and switched to Jellyfin very early on, but I’m a bit confused by the outrage here. He used his real name to report on a UX he built. I see FOSS developers do this all the time, and it seems pretty innocuous.
I can imagine if he generated thousands of anonymous accounts and did the same it’d be very bad, but an author commenting on his own work using his full real name doesn’t seem like a conspiracy plot
It isn’t terrible but it isn’t great
It would’ve been better if he gave a disclaimer
Never thought I’d see the hate for plex on here get to this level.
Every update they’ve made for just about the past decade has made the product worse for the original users who just want to stream their own media. This last UI update killed my favorite download feature. They deserve the hate they’re getting.
That’s what happens when you piss off a loyal fan base
it’s almost as if a small group of people are desperately trying to make people change to jellyfin.
6 months ago I was seriously looking at jellyfin as a Plex alternative. Now? nah, I’m good.
I’ll take a corporate shitheel company over a roach infested toxic community any day.
the more they push the less I want anything to do with jellyfin, and the leaders at jellyfin should be made aware of what their community members are doing.
I’ll take a corporate shitheel company over a roach infested toxic community any day.
What an asinine fucking take. Even if Plex were better than Jellyfin in every single way (it isn’t), this take would still be asinine. I mean, wtf dude. You can just not care about the community and everything keeps working. A “shitheel” company will do everything to make your experience suck.
Meh, seems like a sensible take. Certainly better for your mental health.
Communities matter. There’s a reason I’m not on X, there’s a reason I don’t play pubg or overwatch, toxic communities can seriously make any experience suck.
You can just not care about the community and everything keeps working. A “shitheel” company will do everything to make your experience suck.
And a toxic shitheel community won’t do that?
it’s comments like yours that makes me feel vindicated in choosing corporate over FOSS, and I know I’m not the only one.
Thanks for doing your part in proving my point.
No. You know you don’t need to join a community for using something, right? I didn’t join a community for my dishwasher. Not even for most of my apps, actually. It’s very easy. When you choose corporate, you’re giving money for shit service. There’s literally no way for dissociate from that. On the other hand, you can simply not participate in a community, no one’s forcing you. It’s just weird that you’d still prefer the corporate way.
yes please explain to me what I have to do.
that’s not toxic behavior at all! /s
I’m not a member of the Plex community, never have been. I expect the service to be tailored to make the company a profit. That’s literally all I can trust them to do.
so what can I trust the jellyfin community to do? right now they’re toxic as fuck towards me because I’m telling them they’re being toxic as fuck. the software they built could be the most beautiful and elegant solution in the whole world. but…I’ll never know that because I can’t get past being vilified for calling an apple an apple.
Jellyfin, get your shit together or you will never get past the whole “Plex is shitty” phase.
winners don’t care about winning, they only care about being the best they can be. maybe focus on more of that and less shitting on Plex for doing whatever they’re doing.
I’m not a member of the Plex community, never have been.
so what can I trust the jellyfin community to do?
Clear double standards. Just use the product if you want to.
yes please explain to me what I have to do.
Alright, man. Do what you want. I’m just pointing out that you have a weird double standard, ffs. Have a great day. (Or maybe not, I don’t wanna tell you what to do.)
maybe focus on more of that and less shitting on Plex
Also, you seem to be happy to tell people what they need to do. (I realize I’m being petty and annoying here, but that’s kinda on purpose for this one. I get pretty fucking frustrated by double standards.)
My original comment wasn’t telling anyone what to do.
I was telling the jellyfin community what I was going to do. y’all didn’t like that too much though did ya?
then you came at me calling my comments asinine while attacking my position that the community is toxic as fuck by telling me to “ignore the problem”. yeah, thanks for telling me what I should do.
when I pointed out that your comment is exactly the kind of toxic shit I can’t support, what’d you do? you doubled down and told me more of what I should do!
thanks, if I need bad advice I know where to go now.
the only time I said what anyone should do, it was addressed to the whole jellyfin community as a fucking favor because y’all are a toxic bunch of snowflakes that are clearly too emotionally immature to understand you’re alienating outsiders and killing the jellyfin brand.
I guess the point that you’re not understanding is that I expect Plex to abuse me. I know what their motives are. All I know from jellyfin is that if you even mention “Plex”, the community will come out of the basements they hibernate in and shit down your throat for even suggesting anything other than jellyfin.
Jesus fucking Christ you guys! look at yourselves! how about y’all read your comments to your spouses or mothers and see if they think you’re a bunch of toxic assholes. you obviously won’t listen to reason from a stranger.
shit man, I don’t even fucking care about your asshole project enough to get this deep in comments. I just believe that FOSS deserves a better community than these shitheels.
A large group of people got pissed off at all the enshitification of Plex. It isn’t a personal attack and you are welcome to keep using Plex. However, it is evident that many are looking towards Jellyfin as a better alternative.
This was a nice reminder to leave some bad reviews on the App Store
Yeah this “revamp” is just bad. I dislike it a lot. I’m seriously debating on rolling it back… but I don’t tend to watch media on my phone and the new update hasn’t hit any of my TVs yet.
It literally crashes the app for me every time I go to downloads. I had to revert to the previous version
Is it fake or just a review by an employee that uses plex?
Yeah, I`m all for roasting Plex but nothing about that review is inappropriate or prima facie untruthful.
It’s inappropriate because you’re not allowed to review your own companies software, let alone do so without declaring as such.
Who says you’re not allowed to?
ou’re not allowed to review your own companies software
Says who? They can still be a user of it.
The update makes the download feature objectively worse. So, that was a stretch to praise both.
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😂 exactly
Leaving this completely unrelated link to a better alternative here: https://jellyfin.org/
Leaving this for people to realize that there’s a literal chapter’s worth of book of security issues that haven’t been fixed and seems to keep getting the can kicked down the road… for over 4 years now.
https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415
I love Jellyfin… people need to implement it sensibly knowing the potential risks.
Imagine downvoting “Be careful what you expose to the internet”. I thought I’d got away from Reddit.
Did you read them? somebody is spreading fear for no reason. It almost feels like they want people to use something else.
The core message is (to me) fine.
What I kind of dislike is the delivery.Btw: Can someone tell me why he path-guessing is so dangerous?
I don’t care if someone can guess the path forthe.rise.of.the.linux.ISO.720p.DD.H264.mp4and wants to download it.
Not like any damage or (interactive) intrusion was made into my networkBtw: Can someone tell me why he path-guessing is so dangerous?
Cause organizations like Sony have already done things like installed rootkits on people’s computer. Now imagine they realize this is a flaw in some media setups the their legal departments start actioning on it. (generate a rainbow table of common names for files, and common paths used in linux/docker containers… running 10000 http requests on a server over a few minutes is child’s play)
All it takes it one thing to parse on a list that never had a physical release and now your whole server will be subject to discovery at the court case.
If you have literally no illegal content on your server, no problem… other than that you’ll be on the hook to provide proof of rights to have the content… and possibly at worst rights to distribute (they accessed it without authentication, so literally anyone else could have too).
Edit: Oh but hold on! I hear you say that it would be illegal for them to scan your computer like that…
Except it isn’t. There’s no law that says you can’t try to navigate to a URL. There are laws that say that you can’t bypass attempts to authenticate/protect content… but remember the endpoint isn’t behind authentication.
Except it isn’t. There’s no law that says you can’t try to navigate to a URL. There are laws that say that you can’t bypass attempts to authenticate/protect content… but remember the endpoint isn’t behind authentication.
Assuming I am from the US?
Because if so, it doesn’t applyBut I appreciate your time for the explanation.
Assuming I am from the US?
I mean… I’d like to see any law that can be construed that directly accessing a URL that’s unprotected is illegal. I’m not an expert in EU law on this for sure… but I’ve read many things pertaining to EU law and never found one that would lead me to believe otherwise.
I’m betting most of it is because some terminally online folks here have seen me post similar things before (the last time was like a month ago though… so I dunno)… So they think I’m some misinformation campaign or something. I don’t know. Anywhere I go on the internet it seems I trigger people by pointing out obvious things regularly. I just accept that society is fucked at this point.
That’s based on the assumption that’s your only account, though. Not that I’m calling you a shill, just pointing out the obvious flaw in your logic. Any actual shill would have sockpuppets to spread out their comments and hide their history.
… Check my instance… Would be weird for me to shill for someone on my own instance that I’m an admin for, no? Wouldn’t I not shill for something directly on my admin profile? Also I think there’s one other mildly active user on my instance… Nobody else here to shill with.
I suppose I could make accounts on other instances… Nothing I could do to prove that isn’t the case… Just like I could say the same that all of lemmy is tankie bots.
What the other guy said. I repeat, I’m not actually calling you a shill. I even agree with your point about JF, I’m just pointing out your logic is faulty.
If anything above fails… you’re likely on the hook for support. Hope you plan for that!
It’s a self-hosted service so… Duh?
If your use case is to have a nice media sever at home and while traveling (via tailscale or similar) without exposing your private data, Jellyfin is great.
If your use case is running a pirate tv service for other people, then you probably want something else.
If you’re support ANYONE other than yourself who isn’t technical, it’s a hurdle. And likely a significant one.
I would not be able to educate my wife properly on the times when she would need to enable wireguard on her phone to use it properly (and when to disable it for other scenarios).
This has nothing to do with running a pirate service.
My wife has no problem starting the tailscale app and then starting the jelkyfin app. Its really that simple.
She also uses the tailscale exit node I run whenever she is on a public wifi. Its really a well designed simple to use app.
Would you like to explain to my MIL about how to set up tailscale for her entire network so she can stream to her TV?
Download file from Google Drive link
Download OpenVPN app
Pick file in OpenVPN app
Enter password
Share WiFi from phone to TV
Done
Too hard, she can’t even open a PDF file on her own.
You want to run an internet tv service for your MIL then do it. Thats just not want Jellyfin is for. Its a home media server.
Is this that hard to understand?
Then it’s not a drop in replacement for Plex, is it?
Yep, tell her to call you over to set it up and phone you anytime 24/7 if it breaks
Awesome… cool for you. The average person doesn’t even understand or even know what a VPN is.
I taught undergrad and grad college level IT courses. Many students there didn’t even understand what a VPN actually is.
Edit: It works for you… great… it could even work for many… Awesome. There are legit use cases for the majority that VPN just doesn’t work.
Jellyfin is a home media server. it is great for that use case. It is easy to setup and use. Most importantly its not sending data about everything we watch to some company.
Stick to plex if you want to run a free internet tv service for your cousin and their kids and whoever else and you aren’t concerned with their or your privacy.
I’m into self-hosting because data privacy is my primary concern.
Stick to plex if you want to run a free internet tv service for your cousin and their kids and whoever else and you aren’t concerned with their or your privacy.
What evidence of privacy problems do you have against Plex?
I’ve wiresharked, splunked, checked literally everything that I sent to Plex not all that long ago… Turns out it a whole fuckton of nothing and generic metadata pulled from the media agent. Turns out that as long as you turn off the dumb features, you’re not sending all that much. It’s much easier for me to tell people to turn that shit off than it is to convince them to install apps and configure everything.
I’m into self-hosting because data privacy is my primary concern.
Privacy won’t matter if a major studio catches wind of this type of vulnerability and decides to start scanning for jellyfin instances. The subpoenas will come shortly after.
Jellyfin is a home media server.
Ok, then why do they offer remote connectivity?
I think they’re meaning exposing it to the public for the pirate tv use case. In my personal experience (1 non savvy user using the roku app, no vpn), it’s not much support. I had to talk them through initial sign on, and through re-sign-on after that latest update that forced it. Of course ymmv, but two 5 minute tech sessions with grandma over 2 years of consistent usage ain’t that bad.
And I’m talking about the reverse problem. That you would need to expose it in order for it to work with other users… OTHERWISE be on the hook to support users via VPN + Jellyfin, or in the case of TV apps, Router+VPN+Jellyfin. That doesn’t scale up well the moment you have someone not in your house that uses your stuff. It doesn’t have to be pirate TV. Could just be a kid at college.
Yeah I don’t think anyone sane would disagree. That’s what forced the decision for me, to expose or not. I was not going to try talking anyone through VPN setup, so exposure + whatever hardening practice could be applied. I wouldn’t really advocate for this route, but I like hearing from others doing it because sometimes a useful bit of info or shared experience pops up. The folder path explanation is news to me; time to obfuscate the hell out of that.
Yeah I don’t think anyone sane would disagree.
Exactly… But I get chastised for pointing the problem out. Called a shill because I care about security.
I RUN JELLYFIN. I HAVE IT RUNNING. Others you recommend it to should be made aware of the risks that’s all I’m trying to point out.
The folder path explanation is news to me; time to obfuscate the hell out of that.
You can get around the MD5 issue (a bit) by obfuscating your path. Instead of
/movies/title (year)/title.ext… make it/mnt/MHhzTiM57Fv4wWQmkmb4DLDwVKoB628KBQzhBHQjGQVtsjhwRrFNU2NtRGJ4dUpg/movies/title (year)/title.extand you’ll probably be pretty damn immune to the problem as it stands now… But just blatantly telling people to use Jellyfin isn’t a good answer here without that background.
through re-sign-on after that latest update that forced it
I’ve racked my brain to determine WHY that happened, but the only thing I can guess is Roku saw the channel differently because I packaged it instead of the previous person, so the config didn’t port over /shrug
Never had that happen before.
I figured it was the enforcing of the trusted proxy mechanism mentioned in the release notes (only noticed because of an earlier thread here, thanks!). Once I updated my server and set the proxy settings all my clients needed to be signed again.
Setup a wireguard client so it’s always connected but is used only for a certain IP (the address of your server). If you’re interested, I can help you with that.
Great!
How do I set up WireGuard specifically on my AppleTV? How about my Roku? My friend’s LG TV? My other friends Samsung TV?
I feel like you’re not asking for help, but rather trying to prove a point. I get it, but for Apple TV you can use https://passepartoutvpn.app/, for others, I don’t know, I have no experience.
It’s not me that’s the problem. I have a permanent tunnel back to my house/infrastructure (straight wireguard). It’s communicating how to use it to my users that the problem… I already do enough support that I’m just not opening that can of worms to non-tech people.
everybody downvoting your comment has zero experience being the go-to family tech guy for relatives in their 80s and 90s who can’t reliably distinguish between windows, dialog boxes, menus, and buttons
Seriously it baffles me how so many advocates of Jellyfin don’t recognize the huge gulf of technical knowledge needed to set up plex vs Jellyfin. It doesn’t even compare.
Seriously. Someone tried convincing me that it would be an easy lift to send my MIL across the country a preconfigured Pi so that she could have web browser access to Jellyfin. She only has a computer for doing taxes, and watches everything on her TV.
Not only would she get confused every step of the way, even if it was just plug & play, she would also blame me if ANYTHING happened on her network and want me to fly out to fix it.
I’m not about to take that responsibility just so she can watch the latest episode of 90 day fiance. I have enough pain when she needs to sign into Plex.
I actually kinda did that. Sent a preconfigured thinkcentre to my mum that boots into the jellyfin media player, connects to my server via tailscale. Just had to plug it into power, lan, hdmi. Immutable, atomic system that looks for updates on boot, applies them on next reboot, and does a rollback and ping me if the update fails.
I have ssh access, and my brother lives nearby in case everything fails, that makes things easier.
Yeah I did jellyfin for a while but last time the lifetime pass went on sale for Plex I just said “fuck it,” bought it, bought a cheap beelink, booted elementary OS on it, and set several friends/family up on it. I check the beelink maybe once a month for updates/adding stuff. Easy peasy.
I’m convinced 90% of them have never run either and just like to complain about stuff.
Well it’s basically a part of self hosting culture to hate plex and shout down people who use it unfortunately. Plex and Jellyfin both have a place. Plex was my stepping stone into taking self hosting more seriously. It’s a great starting point for many tbh
Not that they’re really an issue unless you are exposing your server to untrusted clients. You shouldn’t be putting your servers on the Internet anyway, use a VPN.
use a VPN.
That’s difficult when most smart TVs / TV boxes don’t really have a VPN option.
Plex works just fine without a VPN.
I see this so often and nobody ever seems to realize that local/home VPNs use upload bandwidth, which for some is in dire low supply. I can’t have 4 full-time users using my upload connection routing through wireguard, when all 4 stream videos throughout the day. And that’s just 3rd party services like YouTube and Twitch, not plex. Then you add in two additional, off-site users who want to watch something with me on plex, and we are all given ~1.5 megabits a piece of a 10meg upload pipe over here. Mmmm, crispy pixels. ‘you can just use some IPs in wg so you don’t need to tunnel all data, just what you need’, they say, and I rebuke by showing them my dynamic IP address. ‘ask for a static one’ and they haven’t offered that for years besides enterprise customers.
And that’s before I ask everyone ‘so everyone download wireguard and scan your individual qr code, or I will send you the config file’ and everyone but a single user just hears the ocean. Then I need to teach them about VPNs, why we use it, why plex doesn’t work when the little lock isn’t showing on their phones, why ‘I had the lock in the corner but I couldn’t make a call or get online, so we are all getting [thing you don’t like] for dinner since I couldn’t ask’. Then I have to troubleshoot and tell them to toggle it off and on again…
The we get to the bit where they try to cast to the TV, and the chromecast is like ‘lol wtf is a VPN’ and we are back at square one, everyone hates me, I hate everyone right back, all changes from this experiment get reverted, and I lose credibility.
VPNs are useful, but I rage at people who assume they are a blanket solution for all situations and use-cases. And often, the people suggesting them are smug, like they have found something that nobody knows about and are superior because their situation doesn’t color outside of the lines.
Damn that was nice to vent. Been bothering me for way too damn long.
Upload is upload. It doesn’t matter if it’s over the plain Internet or over a tunnel, you’re still uploading roughly the same number of bytes per second.
Tunnels have overhead. MTU overhead itself can cut 5% of your total bandwidth as a default (1500 -> 1420). Forget all the side-channel control stuff.
MTU itself is an interesting issue for wireguard. It defaults to 1420, which should be fine in most cases as the default is 1500 for most ISP connections. But there are interesting cases where you need to go less… If you try to cram a 1420 MTU packet down a 1440 MTU ISP connection (you need 28Bytes overhead minimum, so would need 1412 in Wireguard in this case)… you’re rewriting a fuckton of packets and splitting tons of data that can ruin your connection speed (halving immediately).
I have seen some people recommend 1384 MTU before… The lower you tune this for compatibility the less speed you get.
Once again though… this is way over a normal users head. And likely even over yours since you don’t seem to recognize that this is happening and that it isn’t byte per byte the same.
You should expect wireguard to lose you 5% speed minimum… with other issues potentially making it worse.
Edit: clarification on a sentence cause the wording was bad.
You didn’t read anything I said, I see
and everyone but a single user just hears the ocean.
I’m sorry, but this made me bust laughing. This is dead accurate for a few people in my life.
Then I have to troubleshoot and tell them to toggle it off and on again…
And this is exactly the type of support a lot of people just don’t want to do (including me). And the options really boil down to settle for supporting all this, or the risk of public access to unauthenticated endpoints.
They could just fix the endpoints and it’ll be a non-issue. But they won’t because “backwards compatibility”.
There are even other options that I can pre-emptively offer… but they all SUCK.
You can whitelist ip access… ISP ips rotate and are dynamic.
You can setup crowdsec and/or fail2ban… until a user fails to login a few times in a row because users are users and get themselves banned, now you’re back to support role.
VPNs already covered ad nauseam.There are options… they all suck, especially when the answer of JUST FIX THE ENDPOINT is sitting right there.
I had the lock in the corner but I couldn’t make a call or get online, so we are all getting [thing you don’t like] for dinner since I couldn’t ask’. Then I have to troubleshoot and tell them to toggle it off and on again…
“I’m sorry I made my collection of movies available for you to watch for free, I’ll make sure to never do anything like that again”
use a VPN
No VPN apps for TVs. You know, the most likely thing older people would want to use to access your server to watch movies with.
Edit:
Not that they’re really an issue unless you are exposing your server to untrusted clients.
And the fact that many endpoints are completely unauthed…
My router (more accurately its software) has VPN support, using it for the whole network. You might be able to find one
Sure… but now you’re supporting their whole network because you need the vpn in place. It quickly becomes a whole thing of support just to let your cousin’s kid watch some old shows you have in your library.
Or if the my Internet goes down, now my relative’s Internet 7 states over stops working.
Well I was taking it gracefully as a split-vpn. But yeah it’s a fair question to have if it’s misconfigured, or relying on something in your network (Eg, maybe you also setup a pihole and they lost DNS resolution due to vpn going down.) God knows with these random half-features that many consumer “routers” that are out there.
Depending on their router and how much IT labor you care to do for these people you can actually configure a site to site VPN tunnel. All traffic for a particular address range will get routed through the VPN automatically.
It used to be a high end feature but it’s made it’s way into general routers since it doesn’t really require many resources and it lets you label it as having more home office features.
Yup already addressed this in another thread.
You have to take on supporting them now… supporting family is just like loaning money to family… or renting to family… or anything else with family. Stressful.
But even silly problems like what happens when their wireguarded phone connect to the wireguarded home wifi vpn… I can’t imagine that it wouldn’t cause problems that you’re going to get blamed for.
But even then this is still jellyfins problem. It’s clear the platform is MEANT to be public, otherwise there would be some integration with these other features that just don’t exist.
I do NOT want to support my MIL’s network which is 3000 miles away. It simply will not happen or work for either of us. Until Jellyfin has a decent way to support remote users, I simply cannot change her over.
If Plex folded or somehow forced my hand, I would just kick off all of my family and use Jellyfin on my local network. They’d hate losing access, and I’d hate them paying $$$ for a thousand streaming services, but at this point, that’s what would happen.
Honestly, you’re supporting a chunk of her network by being a media provider in the first place. “It won’t play” doesn’t usually come with an assurance that it’s not a device or network issue.
Neither plex nor jellyfin seem remotely worth the effort to provide to others in my opinion, I just felt like sharing that there are ways to afford network protection to locked down devices.
It’s much easier for me to manage if it’s a file issue though. It’s much more difficult to manage an actual network 3000 miles away, especially if something actually goes wrong. Basically, “it won’t play” can be checked locally. If it doesn’t play locally, I’m happy to fix it. But I’m not about to troubleshoot her network issues for her.
Saying I’m “supporting a chunk of her network” is like saying Netflix supports a chunk of their users’ networks. It’s just not true.
Amen.
Without authentication; it’s possible to randomly generate UUIDs and use them to retrieve media from a jellyfin server. That’s about the only actually concerning issue on that list, and it’s incredibly minor IMO.
With authentication, users (ie, the people you have trusted to access your server) can potentially attack each other, by changing each others settings and viewing each other’s watch history/favorites/etc.
That’s it. These issues aren’t even worth talking about for 99.9% of jellyfin users.
Should they be fixed? Sure, eventually. But these issure aren’t cause to yell about how insecure jellyfin is in every single conversation, and to go trying to scare everyone off of hosting it publicly. Stop spreading FUD.
You shouldn’t expose it publicly
There are better ways to do things in 2025
<admits there are problems>
<Stop spreading FUD>
It’s not FUD if it’s real. I could say the same shit for people screaming Jellyfin at literally every chance they get when the topic is Plex. Instead I further the discussion rather than telling other people they’re spreading FUD.
it’s possible to randomly generate UUIDs
It’s an MD5 hash of the file path. Not randomly generated, and not a proper UUID.
Edit: for others that might not understand… Docker files will standardized the path side… *arr suites and general human nature will standardize the file name.
So a generally guessable file path exists for a LOT of users out there… It’s absolutely possible to guess that many people running jellyfin would store their version of bigbucksbunny as /movies/bigbuckbunny (2008)/bigbuckbunny.mkv or similar conventions and I’ve probably already nailed the path to generate the MD5 for a lot of people running Jellyfin just now.
Honestly it’s news to me but having read through those most of them are not an issue.
setup a VPN. Pray you don’t have a user on a device that doesn’t have a VPN app that you can work with.
Dafuck kind of a nitpick is this? In what world does OpenVPN not have an application for every device and OS combo out there fully supported? You tryna watch it on a VCR or smth?
Products like Netbird and Tailscale have the ability to act as an ingress node on the network.
Alternatively you could setup Wireguard and a simple http proxy like Caddy. Just give your relatives a box to plug into Ethernet. You could even use it as a backup target.
LG tvs and rokus I know for a fact don’t have vpn apps available. And I’m sure there are plenty more.
Neither do Samsung, the jellyfin app works great on Samsung after the annoying process of installing it, but can’t put a VPN on it that I’m aware of.
WireGuard doesn’t work on AppleTV
Me wondering how many security issues the completely proprietary Plex has that they won’t tell us about.
Honestly this is something that needs to talked about more. I frequently see people roasting on foss but in reality the proprietary vendors have all sorts of dumb security issues.
Fair concern… But I can tell you unauthenticated endpoints aren’t one. I haven’t tested any others personally.
Unauthenticated endpoints aren’t one as far as you can tell.
Just the same that we don’t know if the jellyfin ones don’t have further issues that people just haven’t found yet. What’s your point? One is known for 4+ years now and is a wontfix… the other is unknown and no evidence to suggest otherwise.
I am pretty positive you are a Plex shill too at this point…
Keep popping up every time somebody speaks good of jellyfin…
If there are really all those safety holes… Please explain why my publicly exposed instance never got hacked all these years.
I had the same thought and I don’t understand why you are being down-voted. All those “security issues” are a minor inconvenience at worst. I went through them twice and I am fine living with them in my publicly exposed instance (publicly just for myself and my wife wherever we are).
How do you even know you were hacked? Are you monitoring the traffic?
I am monitoring my stuff, yes, I think its basic selfhost good practice when you expose stuff.
Beside the monitoring, if I got hacked, they did nothing with that hack so, what’s the point.
Unless of course all my collection has been converted to porn or something without me even noticing…
And every time I speak up about it… I find users that never heard of it and want to learn how to reasonably fix it. And those discussion happen.
Example:
Am I a shill for talking about the risk of this specific software and even how to mitigate it with others? or am I a shill because you’re defensive over software that you happen to use/like?
Feels like you patrol lemmy to post again and again the same list of “bugs” about a single specific piece of software meanwhile there is an open war moved by a commercial company against that specific piece of software, so yes this is why I think you work or have some personal interest in Plex.
And the fact you run both means nothing, it only make sense that Plex people checkout the market
Also, jellyfin has real downsides to Plex and security is not one of those.
This is why when people say that FOSS is more secure than closed source I always laugh. Those people seem to think that because it’s open source that not only has it been reviewed in depth by security experts who know every single possible vulnerability, but that they found every vulnerability, fixed them, put in PRs that were then approved by the creator, who then made a new release with those fixes……. every time a new potential vulnerability is discovered in the libraries etc that it’s using.
Often it just leads to situations like this - known big vulnerabilities that are just never fixed.
It cuts both ways… Closed source things can be hiding shit… or simply never testing/caring about it… Oftentimes a truly interested person can externally test it and find the flaw anyway… but not always.
Where open source can have a lot of people who care about it… but never have the manpower to fix it.
The best open source projects are the one that have closed source backing it seems. I’ve had my company throw in resources into open source projects before because we used them.
But jellyfin and the likes would be hard to get backing for
FOSS isn’t always more secure than closed-source, but it absolutely can be.
It depends on the priorities of the maintainers. It seems like Jellyfin’s maintainers might not be putting a huge emphasis on security, which is very disappointing, but they are volunteers at the end of the day.
My assumption isn’t that they’re all fixed, it’s that any particularly bad ones would be known about so I know to avoid it or not. Which appears to be the case.
This past week I switched my server to Jellyfin and migrated all my users over to it after I just happened across a thread a month ago about Plex charging for remote streaming on the 29th of April.
I never got an email from Plex about the change until April 29th… Scummy behaviour and I’m sure a lot of users and server owners bought their product in a panic as a result.
So far Jellyfin works perfectly, all my users are on Rokus and the app works perfectly on there.
Plex will only continue to get worse so I’m glad I made the jump.
So far Jellyfin works perfectly, all my users are on Rokus and the app works perfectly on there.
Considering that Roku doesn’t have a VPN option… Then I hope you’ve at least obfuscated your media paths so it’s not easily guessable on the complete unauthenticated endpoints for people to abuse/probe your server.
I keep an eye on my server and trust issues will be fixed in time as more and more users dump Plex.
Who knows what security issues Plex had and I ran that without issue. At least Jellyfin’s aren’t hidden.
“Better”
Maybe if they’d fix their glaring security issues
Jellyfin really needs to work on security and server discovery.
As it is right now you have to manually input the server URL unless it’s on the same physical network, discovery won’t even work with broadcasts across VLANs, or over the internet.
I think the better answer would be to not expose Jellyfin to the internet.
Although it would be cool if it integrated with something like p2panda or libp2p
Use free streaming sites.
Anything that you want to ‘collect’ can be downloaded and stored on an external hard drive and taken with you where you need to go.
Don’t overcomplicate things just to fit in with losers on the internet.
It’s plain deceitful to say jellyfin is simply better. It’s simply less capable and less supported. I don’t know if you’re trying to deceive others or just yourself.
Here’s the difference: With Plex it’s trivial to invite other people to watch content from your server, they can view it on just about any device they have and it doesn’t take any complicated networking setup to achieve. Likewise, just as you share your server, you can view content from other people’s servers through the same interface. This is not a small feature it’s the primary feature of Plex, it’s what sets it apart from xbmc or any media center software.
I am totally on board with FOSS and I would absolutely use jellyfin in a second if it could do the things that Plex does. But it can’t.
As a side note, this new interface for Plex on mobile is absolute shit, a big step backwards. If I had my way I’d still be using the Plex app from 2016.
No it’s not they have to create a Plex account if putting a URL in a window is to technical then creating an account is. Also jfa-go has made inviting so easy.
I just looked up jfa-go, I’m not at all opposed to trying things if they’ll work.
It seems like jfa-go is a user account management system, which is indeed super useful. But it doesn’t handle the remote content part. I’m still not going to create a VPN to share content.
Am I correct that there is no first party Jellyfin app for AppleTV?
There is not, but Infuse is what the Jellyfin project officially recommends.
Correct, but there is an Emby app for every device.
Emby is a paid service right?
If you use plex and jellyfin anyway, i suggest checking raspberry pi and kodi (libre elec) as an alternative. The pi4 is fine for hd at least, some use it for 4k but i have no exp with that. It works well and helps you get off the apple ecosphere.
Yes. But there is a different option. There’s a list of clients on the website.
Correct and what I’ve seen from Jellyfin / Emby are poor looking at best. While I could cobble together a system that works for me, there’s no way anyone I share with would put up with it. Plex is PLEX for a reason.
Plex has always been shilled hard for useful idiots with more money than sense.
Like, free streaming services are right there. Why overcomplicate things just so you can fit in with other losers on the internet?
I swear, so many of you are leaning on each other without realizing none of you have a clue what’s going on.
It’s relatively inexpensive and makes life much easier for people who are not tech savvy. Your position is that of an incredibly egoistic person that never had to help an older relative or dealt with an adult who doesn’t have time for random bs during an hour or so of downtime most people get in a day.
If spending hours trying to figure out which “free” streaming service had not gotten shot down today and magically has the content you want is worth less to you than a one time payment of a few bucks to plex, then you really don’t value your time.
Today i finalized my switch over to Jellyfin. I was a lifetime member but i’m tired of letting them scrape my data.
I fucking hate how I can’t listen to my music libraries in the main app now. I have a separate profile for other people in the house and I can’t switch profiles with plexamp.
And of course the twats locked the thread.
