• @givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    011 months ago

    What can I do?

    Varies wildly.

    Some people are in unions, others “at will” employment.

    This is something to ask coworkers and hopefully a union rep.

  • @Tattorack@lemmy.world
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    Hi. 3F Copenhagen member here. I believe the scaffolders club are organising something over a similar situation that is, however, less intrusive than yours. Your situation is like a horror story version of what the scaffolders are getting (GPS tracking, logging of their company vehicles. They don’t have AI… Yet…).

    Do you have a union you can turn to?

  • @Vandals_handle@lemmy.world
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    011 months ago

    Do you have to violate laws/regulations laws to meet schedules? Perhaps malicious compliance and adhere to all laws. As some have said, a union could help. If you don’t have to violate laws/regulations to meet schedule, perhaps consider adhering to laws/regulations.

  • @MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social
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    Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do. “Tattling” programs are quickly becoming a staple of any sort of logistical jobs. Companies will trade it around as if it keeps people safe, or it protects the honest employees. It’s designed to give them reasons to get rid of you.

    • @wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      I program tattling programs for non-logistical industry. It does let us know if people mistreat equipment or even break speed limits. But what pays the bills is predictive maintenance or responding to reactive maintenance needs more quickly. We can reduce scheduled maintenance for longer and prevent failed parts from causing too much damage.

      Sure it’s a different industry but generally employees are expensive to hire and even more expensive to lose. Losing a job because of a number in an algorithm that decides to tattle is rare unless that employee is a total piece of shit that we were looking to sack for other reasons. Usually its a “Dude samsara told us you blew the speed limit in this town and we’re going to get fined out the wazoo and you’ll lose your DOT license. Dont do it again”. If they do stupid shit again and get caught by the police, they might lose their DOT status for some number of months and be unemployable until it is restored. So really it is a safeguard to prevent that from happening in the first place and helps them KEEP their jobs longer.

    • Maeve
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      011 months ago

      More than that. It’s designed first to enrich insurance, AI, and other business interests, to drive down wages and eventually replace humans with autonomous vehicles. Irobot.

    • @Tja@programming.dev
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      Yeah, in a world where we are short of drivers and they are hiring questionable people, they are looking for reasons to fire you.

      Doubly funny if OP is American, where you simply don’t need reasons to fire people.

      • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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        Right to work is very misunderstood online. It’s not the freebie everyone seems to think it is.

        If you terminate sometime without documented cause, you can’t deny their unemployment claims and must keep paying them in all 50 states.

        The myth that they can fire you with no recourse is something they want everyone to believe so that nobody files for unemployment. when they’re entitled to it.

        • @wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          011 months ago

          That’s definitely going to change in this political climate. There will be states where the head of the unemployment insurance will just stop paying at Trump’s direction and ignore court orders. MMW

      • @MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social
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        I know it sucks. And corps are playing with the automation line. They don’t want to replace too many jobs with automation because that will trigger the need for UBI to off-set the amount of jobless people no longer driving the economy. So, instead they’ve resorted to “churn and burn” practices. Things that allow them to burn people out and toss them aside and make it the workers fault.

  • Rentlar
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    Your options (pick any combination you please):

    • do whatever you can do to make it more bearable in the short term (turn down volume of AI warnings, whatever else you can configure)
    • Unionize
    • Bargain with your company/Negotiate your contracts
    • Get hired by a new company that gives a shit about their employees
    • Become an owner-operator
    • start a trucking firm with a bunch of other drivers that are fed up with that bullshit
    • Find a different kind of job that doesn’t require AI to surveil and harass you.
    • @ThrowAwayOK@lemmy.worldOP
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      011 months ago

      Those are good options but I get paid 32.75 per hour during the week and 40.75 on weekends and its a pretty cushy job. Hard to just get new job.

      • nomad
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        When i was fed up with the bosses in my cushy job, I made the job more cushy by starting my independent company. Same work, more money, no assholes treating me like shit and i learned from that. Now my colleges also have a cushy job, with a competent, nice boss.

      • @Geodad@lemm.ee
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        011 months ago

        They probably know that it’s a cushy job amd want to replace you with someone who will work for less.

      • @reksas@sopuli.xyz
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        In the end, your mental and physical health should always come before the job. Money isn’t that nice if you are stressed wreck. You should still look for other work just so you at least have some options if it ever gets too awful dealing with all the bullshit your current work forces on you. It’s probably not going to get much better and any solution regarding disabling/mitigating the current surveillance is likely temporary at best.

        Just try to do it in such way your current employer doesn’t know about it, just in case they get uppity about it. So use only devices managed by yourself for it and dont talk about it with others working for same employer.

  • @marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works
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    This is becoming more common in a variety of jobs. I work in tech, and have heard from colleagues about their experiences with nanny software. Without a union, your best bet is malicious compliance. I would start looking for hacker communities and posting there, because there can be simple but non-obvious ways to circumvent controls while still seeming to comply, which protects your job.

    • John Richard
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      Let me explain why companies are doing things like this. They’ll make unreasonable demands and when you make mistakes as a result, the AI will capture it and they’ll use that in court to blame you as the employee and try to hold you personally liable. This is their way of saying you’re nothing more than a liability to them. Fuck this system. I’d start demanding a new employment agreement to protect yourself.

      • Kairos
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        011 months ago

        What context is this? Insurance? Company vheicle?

          • Kairos
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            011 months ago

            Hm. Im not in your position so take what I say with a grain of salt, but, malicious compliance. Do everything right. Sit at red lights. Miss exits. Etc.

    • @gamer@lemm.ee
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      Lol I also didn’t understand wtf OP was talking about and thought he this was a schizo thing. The context missing from the title is apparently that it’s a company vehicle.

  • @goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Alright, so you probably can’t get rid of it, but you can make it look like it’s defective. Make it look like it’s sending way too many false positives. If it’s listening, just start spouting random gibberish. Some pencil-pusher at HQ sees a transcript come back that just says “reptile shoestring meridian front sawdust henway ball Amtrak septuagint ladder correct horse battery staple java thorpe 2 Chainz” over and over for like 40 pages, worst-case scenario he’s not gonna read it, best-case scenario he’s gonna think the system’s defective.

    • You’d have to get everyone with the system to do the same, otherwise it looks like 1 unit is bad. After replacing it, they’ll know something’s up if one dudes unit is putting out gibberish

    • @wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      These things are smarter / dumber than that. They talk directly to the engine and transmission with canbus to record operating conditions. And they have a dedicated GPS antenna. Then they generate a live report from that data that is sent over a dedicated cell connection.

      Talking nonsense to it or driving in circles wont fool it. I recommend physical sabotage that mimics installation failure.

  • TTH4P
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    011 months ago

    It will be interesting when they can’t keep strong workers because they’ve scared the shit out of them.