- Following backlash to statements that Duolingo will be AI-first, threatening jobs in the process, CEO Luis von Ahn has tried to walk back his statement.
- Unfortunately, the CEO doesn’t walk back any of the key points he originally outlined, choosing instead to try, and fail to placate the maddening crowd.
- Unfortunately the PR team may soon be replaced by AI as this latest statement has done anything but instil confidence in the firm’s users.
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crazy how fast they ruined the reputation of this company. just a couple months ago, duo mascot and Duolingo streaks were cool and fun. they had a good thing going. but now it’s just another shit tech company again. they lost all the good will in like a month.
crazy how fast they ruined the reputation of this company.
they lost all the good will in like a month.
Twitter enter the chat
Twitter was going downhill hard already when Musk bought the place
I uninstalled yesterday, good riddance Duo.
People are unfair with this “CEO”. Its statement helped me move on from duolingo, which has seen significant decline in quality while never going beyond “a moderately bad way to start learning”, toward better, more developed, more cared for, cheaper, solutions.
So, thanks for that.
Please do share :)
I’m mainly interested in Japanese, so I’m currently looking at https://www.renshuu.org/ . In addition to just throwing random stuff at you, it gots some more in-depth training, explanations of stuff (something that never happened in duolingo), additional hints for alphabets including some mnemonics, and years of dedicated experience in the language. I can’t tell how it would feel long term, but so far even having some basic explanations is a great improvement.
I’m not gonna lie, I stopped using Renshuu due to having other resources at hand and because it just looks so rough, but I think it’s great for a free resource. The fact that they offer a shit ton of vocab/grammar/kanji study sets for free and community built ones is reminiscent of Anki, and Renshuu also uses a SRS. Lots of customization for reviews and answer options.
It’s certainly nowhere as eye-catching and addictive as Duolingo is, so beginners are probably more likely to give up than if they used Duolingo. But honestly, that site lost the point of what learning a language was supposed to be about anyway.
Sometimes I feel I should pick it back up, but at this point I want to focus more on reading/watching content for practice/learning.
I love this headline so, so much
I want every headline to end with “…, fails”
“Amir, on his way to become successful in life…”
“AI is creating uncertainty for all of us, and we can respond to this with fear or curiosity. I’ve always encouraged our team to embrace new technology (that’s why we originally built for mobile instead of desktop), and we are taking that same approach with AI. By understanding the capabilities and limitations of AI now, we can stay ahead of it and remain in control of our own product and our mission,” writes von Ahn.
Now please explain in more detail how this advice should be followed, practically, by someone you just fired because AI was cheaper. Give examples of how they can embrace this change with curiousity so as to remain in control of the product and mission they are no longer employed to work on.
The former employees are now curious about how they will pay rent and eat, so there’s that.
Reminds of Proto CEOs faux pas
Good to see the normie finally turning these cult of personality clowns imitating Steve apple… I can’t be believe we had to suffer 15 years of it.
These parasites been getting high on their own farts for too long while normie LARPed everything they said.
faux pas
Not much of a “faux” pas. Not only did he double down on it, but the board supported him.
“the board” lol yeah they used to be governing mechanisms instead of a clown car full of sycophants.
I hear good things about Pimsleur as an alternative.
Interesting.
I have switched to Mango Languages because my library gives free access to it. So I’ve been trying to share that information with people. Or, at least, check your local library to see if they offer something.
That’s great advice. At least for as long as libraries still exist. 😫
Pimsleur has been making “real” language courses for 20+ years, you could get CD’s with languages back then, there should be plenty to choose from.
I used Pimsleur to get started on my L2 way back when. I am now pretty much fluent, after living immersively for a long time. The immersion, and dedication, and tutors, and language school did the heavy lifting. But Pimsleur gets big credit for helping me get started and get confidence.
It can go either way, some people like the method, others hâte it because it’s not gamified. Pro tip, get pimsleur courses from your library if you want to try them for a real trial rather than what they give you
Last year in February I uninstalled the app on a perfect, 2000-day streak when I got the first whiff of AI; I’m probably never going back
Now say it in Spanish.
What is the point of this news that talk about a walk back that isn’t doing nothing to walk back?
In 2025 everything is just a messaging problem to these goons.
I just started using Duolingo to learn Spanish. Can anyone recommend alternatives they have had success with that function the same way?
Anki is free. If you need gamification, then perhaps memrize is for you. I’d just go with anki though. Ankidroid is a good app to work with the anki decks.
Use free Anki and get a free 1k or 5k high-frequency community deck from Anki website. Or get Refold 1k deck (paid) for anki.
If you don’t mind paying sub (look for discount/vouchers), use lingvist (paid) or memrise (not sure how this app is now after the changes) to learn 1k words. Cancel subscription once you learnt 1k or 2k words, probably will take 1-3 months. Learn about 15-30 words a day.
Try reading graded readers with audio at the same time.
Read up on some basic high frequency grammar in your target language.
Depending on language you will have to also actively learn the alphabet, numbers, phonic and so on.
The idea is to learn high frequency vocab and get to consuming content (using language) as soon as possible not collect gems, coins or whatever.
If you like keeping scores, count the books/article read, count the words learnt, count the hours spend listening don’t count coins or gems.
Anki - https://apps.ankiweb.net/
Anki shared decks - https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks?search=french
Refold decks - https://refold.la/category/decks/?show=all
Lingvist - https://lingvist.com/I tried out a bunch, including Babbel, Busuu, Language Transfer, Mango, and Memrise. I didn’t like them for one reason or another. I finally landed on Lingodeer. It’s similar to Duolingo, but it is a paid app. (You can try level 1 of any language for free.)
The regular subscription price is definitely not worth it. It’s okay (not great, but not awful) when they do their sales. But I felt okay about paying human workers.
This kind of learning is a great start, but will only get you so far. If your local library has access to Kanopy, look for the Great Courses series on Spanish. I thought that was an excellent series after a little bit of Duolingo.
If anyone wants to practice their Japanese or have questions, they can message me.
主よ、如何なさいましたか。
In another thread someone told me you can buy gems or something to keep your streak going.
That would’ve made me uninstall long before his comments.
I’m a long time user of Duolingo and you earn plenty to give yourself the occasional streak freeze if you can’t go two days without doing a lesson. It’s not really as predatory as it sounds. It’s nothing like pay to win type games.
Fuck Duolingo for the AI shit though, don’t mistake me for a Duolingo simp thinking their blameless. It’s just that the monetization is not as predatory as it sounds.
I have so many could probably keep a streak foing indefinitely without ever doing a lesson, but I’d need to log in every couple days to repurchase the streak freeze.
“Freezing” your streak is just silly, even if they offer it for free. Is this just for online clout, so you can brag (falsely) to others how long you haven’t broken a streak?
If an alcoholic goes 10 years without drinking, then has a beer, the streak is broken. Doesn’t mean you can’t recover and improve, but it is what it is. It’s dishonest to pretend it didn’t happen, especially if you’re comparing yourself to others…
Really comparing missing a day of a language learning app to alcoholisn recovery?
Your streak doesn’t go up on days you use a freeze.
No? It was a comparison of the streak, not the subject of the streak. That was just an example. My point remains. Unless you can literally stop time, the streak died. It’s okay that it did, but why pretend it didn’t?
If you can’t see why someone might have a different criteria for a streak in days without alcohol as a recovering addict and days in usage of a learning application I can’t help you.
Ah, okay, thanks for the info! I’ve never used Duolingo so I genuinely don’t know.
I think it should be added that people who pay premium get infinite lives, everyone else gets 1 life every 6-ish hours with a maximum of 5, meaning they can answer wrong at most 5 times and fail a lesson, forcing them to do a recap practice lesson to earn a heart and then retry the lesson with only 1 heart or they’re just done for the day.
It’s kind of pay to win.
To win what? The lessons are not competitive.
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There actually is a weekly leaderboard bracket where you compete with about 30 to 50 other people.
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Completing a lesson is winning, losing all your lives is losing.
A completely optional, side objective that has no bearing on anything else? You can completely ignore the leader board and still progress. It’s not competitive.
Yeah of course, winning or losing a game has no bearing on anything. It’s still winning or losing.
The main objective is to complete lessons. You have to pay to do that or wait for energy to replenish.
The main objective is not to complete lessons, but to learn. If you use up all your hearts because you make too many mistakes you’re obviously not learning. At that point Duolingo completely fails though, instead of telling you to go back and practice, it asks if you want to buy hearts with in-game currency or switch to the paid super max hyper ultra AI whatever it’s now called for unlimited hearts. Unlimited hearts doesn’t give you shit though, it allows you to bruteforce your way through the lessons to get XP to rank up in the completely optional leaderboards, it doesn’t help you learn. It’s only pay to win if you see it as a game and not as a language learning app.
No, you don’t. It’s only when you lose hearts. You get to make 5 mistakes. You can use gems to replenish them or they replenish over time. After playing for a while you earn plenty of gems to restore your hearts mid lesson every now and then. You can watch an ad to replenish your hearts between lessons, but not during. If you’re not making mistakes then you can keep going. It’s not that difficult to not make mistakes either, a lot of times they flat out give you the answer by tapping on words.
There are plenty of things to shit on Duolingo as a company. Calling the app pay to win really isn’t one.
You can set your profile to private to completely disable the leaderboard stuff.
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I have so many bonus points, I just get 5 new hearts. I find the lack of grammer in the free version holding me back (possibly by design, so I’ll finally pay for something). I think it’s time to leave for me too (I didn’t enjoy the gaming side and won’t tolerate AI integration, even if it’s free).
Theres also basically zero server side-checking on anything. Hacked APKs let you get premium features for free :3
That’s awful! Could you please let me know where these APKs are hosted so that I may avoid them?
Mobilism.
Got any recommendations for where to find said APKs?
Just a guess , but maybe the extra net by the bay of torrent.
Mobilism.
It’s worse than that.
Yes, you can pay for a streak freeze. If you don’t, you’ll probably find that you were given one for free anyhow. You’d have wasted your gems.
Yes, you can pay to undo a streak loss. It’s more than paying for a freeze.
It’ll give you multiple chances to pay for all that, too. If you’re out for days and then come back, you can pay to fix your streak.
What is the point of a streak if you can just buy your way back to it?
Also, I had paid for the last couple years, which (IIRC) includes free streak freezes. It still asked if I want to pay for them. I’d say no, and find I had one anyhow, or a friend had miraculously given me one.
But during the last year (365 days) my streak was actually only at 190 or so because I’d used so many streak freezes that I got for free. I wasn’t even trying to keep my streak.
When I finally let my streak die, the icon started trying to guilt trip me into coming back with horrible icons of Duo being sad, heartbroken, or even dead.
The constant mental manipulation that was well beyond what gamification should ever be was what finally drove me to just quit playing altogether. I had already canceled my sub long ago, but I’m not even going to use the remainder of this year I’ve already paid for.
I remember easily getting gems for free. Also the streak basically doesn’t matter at all. What made me uninstall is the slow pace. It felt like I was stuck on the same words and topics forever. It felt like I was not actually learning anything, which if you’ve ever started learning a language if a formal setting, is very apparent.
The old tree system was much better, it allowed you to mix exercises from different topics. The new path system locks you into one topic until you know all the sentences by rote.
They changed that a couple years ago, right? I think that was when I quit.
I’ve found it’s best for drilling and not for learning. You’ll probably learn faster by reading a textbook or listening to something like the Michel Thomas method that gets you speaking super fast. Then you can hop on Duolingo and make it stick. The secret is knowing the vocabulary beforehand to finish the lessons faster by focusing on your accuracy instead. It’s still a lot of grinding, though. 😅
I gotta say, the icon of Duo looking like this, plus a snot coming out of one of its nostrils is what did it for me. No way to turn off this “feature” either. I’m not easily grossed out, so seeing it once or twice would have given me a chuckle. Seeing it every time I opened my phone? Nope.
I knew I wouldn’t be renewing my subscription right there and then (there were other reasons, but that one moved the decision faster.)
wait what… they made the official icon look miserable and added snot? wtf?
Yup! Google “Duolingo snot icon” and it will be the first image result.
Or you could visit the orange site and check it out here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/duolingo/comments/1f2deam/im_sick_right_now_and_this_is_the_app_icon/
holy fuck
I think on iOS they added a thing where it would change based on the days you didn’t use Duolingo. Honestly at this point I think it speaks more about the sorry state of their company more than anything.
What I’d wonder is why it’s such massive expensive for Duolingo to hire 2 or 3 people to cover a language anyway. Presumably most of the work is contractual - hire somebody competent to produce a course, get somebody to say the lines, refine the course based on feed back and that’s mostly it.
Terminal MBA brain
FTFY: Pretends to walk back his statements. Fools no one.
So…tries and fails? 😛
except his AI.
