Well, a few people have already pointed out the nastiest sounding one, so I’ll go with wolfgirl.bar
Pretty sure I’d want eye bleach after that.
Or of curiosity, what’s bad about that one? I’m a person who likes animal peepz, but if they’ve been defederated there’s gotta be more to it that “wolf girls the server”
Quick edit: I went there and I need an account to see stuff, which id rather not do if this server has issues.
Good question. I was only talking about my own personal tastes. I don’t know what would be objectively worthy of defederation, because what you’re talking about is fine.
Fair! Someone else here said the admin is a neo-Nazi so fuck all that shit
It should be shunned and defederated so the degenerate furries hide and learn shame
I looked it up through the link somebody shared on the comments here and the admin is a neonazi.
BOOOOOO yeah defed that shit hahaha
Damn furry Nazis.
Nazi furries have been a thing for years. The regular furries don’t like them.
I wonder how many of these are defederated from each other too.
Is it all unity among the nazi-pedos or are they fighting amongst each other?
That sounds like a Horror-Movie. Nazi-Pedos: they come for your Arian children.
Historically, Nazis weren’t actually picky about their rape victims.
It was a bad time to be a woman in a Nazi ghetto.
There are all combinations out there, be it pro-pedo-Nazis, anti-pedo-Nazis, and anti-Nazi-pedos. There is no obvious link between the two.
Dang no anti-pedo anti-Nazis
That’s us.
You’d think, but eleven people didn’t immediately recognize that.
you forgor pro-nazi pedos
If they are pro-Nazi, they are probably just Nazi
If they are pedos, they are probavly pro-pedos
@tryptaminev @witchdoctor Depends
a lot of lemmy instances have the blocked list public
SDF is not one of them
Hypothetically it does, they just don’t block any instances, so it’s empty. They are unlikely to start outside of extreme circumstances.
Likewise for their Mastodon instance, which has been around for a long while.
What was iddqd? My guess is gore, but not interested to check.
Dam thats an awesome instance name
Looks like it’s just following the pattern of racist shitheads cooping cool shit and being shitty about them. Like Pepe, the Punisher, and now this one’s using Doom.
From the site:
IDDQD: Instance For /vr/, /tg/, /g/, etc.
In other words an offshoot of 4chan’s gaming-related boards (vg - Retro Gaming, tg - Traditional Gaming, g - Gaming). Unfortunately it’s 4chan, so…
/g/ is the technology board, not gaming
Agh, right, so you are.
Larger point still stands though.
IDDQD is a cheat for the original Doom, as a random fun-fact. God mode, iirc.
I was.
It is basically a bunch of low quality shitposts between 3 people.
Disappointing.
Jesus one is just called pedo school. What the actual fuck
How to spot a honey pot 101
WHAT COULD POA.ST HAVE DONE TO GET THAT MANY DEFEDERATIONS
edit: scrolled down in the comments to find my answer
This is the reason why Lemmy doesn’t grow as much as it could. Keep defederating until all instances are single islands with 10 users each and no useful content.
Name one reason why anyone should federate with any of the listed instances. I’ll wait.
Just because there are bad places on the street it doesn’t mean people shouldn’t be allowed to go there.
Is anyone keeping you from opening the bad instance in your browser? No.
If you want to go there, make an account there.
Yes, I’m sure the reason we don’t grow is because we refuse to federate with nazi and pedo content. Oh what will the fediverse do without these folks.
Yeah sure, in the same way that piracy was defederated or other multiple instances about nothing illegal.
To a degree. I think lemmy wont grow because only socially inept nerd losers frequent this site.
What about everything else that isn’t “socially inept nerd losers” that is also defederated because someone felt like it. This is the same issues that we’ve with “freedom of speech”, if you block some it’s a slippery slope and you’ll eventually block what you shouldn’t. Look I don’t approve the actions and content those people post, for let’s not open precedents here.
I disagree with tankies, social justice warriors and nazis. I would only defederate the latter.
Tankies get banned when they inevitably excuse a holocaust and social justice warriors can only cry on the internet all day about why nobody gives them free shit just for existing and how people who have more than them are monsters.There, i opened the can of worms.
Fuck Nazis, but the biggest Problem lemmy has is the first 2.
Lemmy has no good content that isn’t “having money is genocide” and “haha this guy doesnt use Linux”
It won’t do well but ill stand on the side and watch them.Finally, someone with common sense.
None of these instances are Lemmy (or anything other on threadiverse)
This should include a user count in each so we can see just how many pedos and nazis are being punted to their own little disgusting bubbles
A little correction: while some of pedo instances are full of potential child abusers, others are based on non-offending (i.e. stop fucking children ffs) principles.
The latter are actually extremely important since they provide a gateway for otherwise potentially dangeous individuals to gain support and find professional help. Trying to instead blindly seed hatred towards people with any immutable traits is never productive, be it any mental disorder, sexuality, or otherwise, same as race and gender. In this case, it only prevents pedophiles from seeking help, making them more likely to become the child predator type and actually pose danger to kids.
Being a pedophile is not a choice. Being a Nazi or a child abuser are, and those should fuck themselves (but also reconsider what they do and what they believe in).
Being a pedo may not be a choice, but acting on it definitely is. And any pedo who has to go searching for pedo friendly communities is not looking for help, theyre looking to get off.
Its not a big secret to them that they have something wrong to live with. They dont need a support community to tell them how not to fuck kids. It shouldnt take that much self control for them to not fuck kids…
I’d even bet the vast majority of them already do just fine living normal lives. Just like the vast majority of “normal” adults dont go around raping each other just because they feel sexually aroused by someone.
How do you jump from “searching for pedo friendly communities” to “looking to get off”?
Imagine being a gay in a country where you’ll be in real danger if you’ll ever mention it. Would you like to have someone at least online to talk about how you feel? Probably yes. Same idea. It’s hard to hold up things that big throughout life, as just about any closeted LGBT+ person will tell you.
And then with any attraction that is actually dangerous and also illegal when acted on, like, well, pedophilia, or zoophilia, or biastophilia, or God knows what, there will always be people in doubt on whether they should go for it or not. And a community of people with the same issue telling them “we know how you feel, but CERTAINLY NO” would be way more productive than randoms on the Internet shaming them and putting them into the same bin as actual rapists.
Of course, most of them will probably never offend regardless. But people in doubt, as well as people in mental distress, are to always keep in mind. And if you ignore them, you get more child abuse, more suicides, and more pain and suffering in the world.
Maybe im wrong and they need support. Maybe im not. I certainly am in no position to say one way or another with authority. But i’d rather be wrong about keeping them shamed than be wrong about letting them feel positive about their issue.
Either way, i respectfully am done discussing the topic for now. I will give your opinions some thought though.
I’ll play the devil’s advocate here. Not supporting or opposing your point of view. Just to add to the discussion. Let’s use another extreme: People with a killing spree sexual attraction. I know, I know, it may be not the same, and it’s something that doesn’t exist (God I hope!) But for the sake of the argument, let’s assume it does.
You have this forum of people posting memes about mass killings and frustrations about not being able to kill, but that you would totally never ever kill anyone, even though the urge is there.
What would you think of such community? Would it be a safe one?
(Dear CIA, NSA, FBI agents, the above is just a completely hypothetical scenario. I am a law-abiding citizen. Always have, always will.)
…there is a joke here that I could make about incel forums. I’m not going to try to because it’s in poor taste, but my point is that I’m pretty sure that does exist…
Also, what’s your actual position if that’s your devil’s advocate position? I’m a bit unsure if the implication there is intentional or not
Well, I don’t really have a position. I think pedophilia is heinous, but I understand that sexual attraction is not a choice. Would an internet forum be a good and healthy supporting tool for pedophiles making an effort to do the right thing? That’s the question I’m trying to answer.
Here’s something I found on the issue:
https://www.nomos-elibrary.de/10.5771/9783748904403-279.pdf
TL;DR it very much depends on the nature of the platform, but peer support platforms like Virtuous Pedophiles seem to be more good than bad, helping in combating child sexual abuse.
I’d argue it’s way better to give them a platform to vent, so instead of going to the street and killing everyone they post memes and share therapists.
Would I be grossed out? Hell yeah, just like with pedophilia. Would I still think it’s a good thing? Absolutely.
It’s easy to go with your gut feeling and think you’re righteous to follow it. It’s always harder to think it through and do and support what’s actually right.
Most pedos are nazis and vice versa.
I don’t think there’s a reliable source for that claim, but it’s mean to two groups I don’t like and is therefore true
You got a way with words.
Where/how is this obtained?
I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.
Where/how is this obtained?
I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.
fba.ryona.agency
Be aware that it doesn’t track when lemmy instances defederate from other fediverse instances correctly and hasn’t for months, and that it’s run someone from one of those 50 defederated instances.
Makes me kinda wish that when defederating you could select a one word label for why. Like a fixed list with several options like pedo, spam, harassment, abandoned, etc and a default of other. Make it a bit easier with a big list like this to say, oh 1000 of these 1400 all selected “racism” when defederating so it’s probably very racist and I should also defederate. But if it’s a lot of “other” or inconsistent reasons maybe I should spend a bit of time digging.
You’re looking for this: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/censured. Us instance admin can also endorse other instances.
What’s up with all the pedo instances? Why are they creating instances in an open web? Are they dumb or something? It sounds to me that just registering the domain names of some of those could be considered a crime, nevermind openly inviting and hosting CSAM.
Honeypots and also to discourage people from engaging to corral people into big tech where surveillance is #1
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com is one cool dude. Their fingerprints are all over Lemmy in an obviously much needed manner. I’m glad I joined their instance.
Agreed! I’m really appreciative of folks putting this kind of work into Lemmy.
As an instance owner, thank you. Going to use this a lot
What does kiwifarm mean?
Here’s the beginning of the Wikipedia article:
Kiwi Farms, formerly known as CWCki Forums, is a web forum that facilitates the discussion and harassment of online figures and communities. Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxxing and real-life harassment.
So, it’s an assholefarm.
Although the name originated with one particular site, it looks like the name now applies to any site that serves a similar purpose. Bleah.
Sooooo much CSAM and lolicon on there. Disgusting. One question tho, what does “map” mean in this context?
“Minor attracted person” the whitewashed version of the word pedophile.
They’ve defederated from a bunch for no reason including lemmyunchained.net which is what I use. But I still see posts, why is that?
Who are they?
What does “altfedi” mean? And what content is illegal in Germany and Czechia?
Huh. I would have bet Lemmygrad would be up there somewehre.
I think lemmygrad isn’t that bad considering pedo.school is halfway through the list.
True, but LemmyGrad can be wild too. I met one who claimed being Homosexual is imperialistic. https://lemmy.world/post/4494303
Isn’t that a .world user? Lemmygrad doesn’t allow homophobes as a rule. Probably why they couldn’t register on that instance.
Being gay and imperialist is a hilarious thought though lol
When you are a queen but want to be THE Queen.
Ah yes the urge to kiss boys and conquer territory
Lemmygrad and Hexbear most definitely do not tolerate homophobia, though, so I don’t think that user would’ve lasted long there if they were a lemmygrad user.
I bet a large part of the Fediverse are Communist/Socialist too, or have similar ideas. Lemmy’s devs are, after all.
I mean, the whole thing is based on the idea of being free to use for everyone.
I see your Point. I see myself also as rather left. But the People over at Lemmygrad are not really left imo. They are authoritarian, for sure. But left? I don’t know. I don’t want to claim to be the sole “Incarnation of leftism” it’s just that many of my views and beliefs are the opposite of theirs.
There is, for better or worse, authoritarianism on the left. “You will be fed and given a place to stay and personal safety… or else!” Even in its more benign forms (ex Bolshevism) it’s kinda bad imo. When it gets extreme it gets… well… being an English speaker i’m sure you’ve heard all about it.
The spectrum is more than left and right, I know political compass memes on Reddit got taken over by nazis but there is legitimately a whole compass. Stalin is somewhat center left, nudist hippie communes are lower left corner
Being vehemently against racism and fascism is left. It’s the logical extreme opposite of “a certain group of people are superior to everyone else”: “everyone is equal and their basic necessities should be provided for free”
You just seem to disagree with the folks over on grad and Lemmy devs on how that can be achieved, and maybe to what extent it should be. They believe an authority is necessary to enforce those rules, or you get corporations and billionaires steering the government to wage wars for profit from oil, materials etc. like what’s happening now.
Personally, I see being pro-China like they are on grad as much less worrying than being pro-US, the latter of which I have a feeling .world mods wouldn’t block because of their inherent western bias. Only one of the two have constantly invaded other countries for their resources, or overthrown democratically elected foreign governments to replace them with military dictatorships.
Only one of the two have constantly invaded other countries
The People of Tibet might disagree there. But this is a discussion for another Time.
I’m not pro US either, tho. I just call out evil when I see it. And that’s my Problem with Lemygrad. They seem to believe there are only two sides. I can say America does bad things and China, Russia etc. does bad things. They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done. And that’s not how we come forward. Evil is Evil is Evil. No matter who does it.
They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done
That’s a heavy oversimplification of everything on there… I see the folks on grad being mad about bad decisions by China just the same; they just heavily scrutinize negative news for bias or misinfo, as people should do for everything.
If you do scrutinize your news and sources, I think it’s only natural that you’d end up being very anti-west/imperialism, and far less anti-China, specially considering the grip western media and news have on the world. The two are just not equivalent at all.
The People of Tibet might disagree there
Here’s an example of that. The fact that China’s education system makes sure ~90% of Tibetans can speak their cultural language compared to the ~8% of North Americans that can speak theirs means they’re just not equivalent. The only countries accusing China of such a fucked up crime like cultural repression are western ones with a political/economic interest for doing so. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this and Xinjiang.
Amazing, it only took you 2 comments to land right on genocide denial, unprovoked.
You’re a tankie, defending other tankies, and tankies aren’t communists, nor are you on the left, since you clearly aren’t in support of freedom and equality for all, never mind the rest of it, just more of the same bullshit - authoritarians co opting leftist ideas and language to grab power. Tale as old as fucking time…genocide
Jesus christ, you don’t seem to realize how much of a fucked up accusation that is to throw around. Even the US State Department, who would love to claim any and all accusations against their geopolitical rivals, says there’s no mass killings in China, probably because the US couldn’t cause one like they did in 1965 in Indonesia.
Even if it’s not intentional, these kinds of thoughtless claims downplay actual mass killings like the one Israel is perpetrating against native Palestinians right now.
far-rights co opting leftist language to grab power
Hence why it’s important to scrutinize news, sources and claims, and not throw around baseless ones.
I do think we need a democratically elected authority though, or you get corporations and billionaires steering the government to wage wars for their own selfish profit from oil, materials etc. like what’s happening now with Israel. And rising inequality as wealth gathers at the top.
Perhaps a governing system like Cuba’s, which is Socialist and has one of the most open democracies in the world. It has an unusually high percentage of women in the government compared to the rest of the world thanks to that; 53.22% now (U.S has 29.0%), and better LGBT rights than the US nowadays. Also free healthcare, and enough free high level education to provide Italy with doctors during the pandemic, despite the ongoing 60 year US embargo.
You don’t get it. I don’t compare. It is not that is worse than that. China attacked Tibet and conquered their Land. I don’t need to compare this to the US. I don’t care if Country XYZ says it was good. Evil is Evil is Evil. Pull yourself away from comparing. You don’t have to weigh Evil against each other.
EDIT:
They pick one side and argue and justify away the crimes “their” Side has done.
You are doing exactly that. You try to argue and justify the annexation of Tibet. You could easily say “Yeah, that was not okay. China invaded and occupied Tibet, this is not okay.” But instead you are trying to compare this to the US and bring up other Countries and what they think. THIS is exactly what I meant.
you are trying to compare this to the US and bring up other Countries and what they think
Shouldn’t we look at different sources and scrutinize events and claims thoroughly? You seem to be thinking you’re being objective by taking a centrist position on these but this
China invaded and occupied Tibet
is a western claim, and exactly what the US and EU wants its citizens to think by drawing a false equivalence between them and their geopolitical rival. Tibet had a popular revolutionary party whose views were in line with the rest of China that wanted China’s help overthrowing the Dalai Lama, under whom slavery and serfdom was common in the region. There absolutely were factions supporting the prior feudal rule, but chalking that up to “China invaded and occupied Tibet” is absurd and extremely misleading. Tibet is an autonomous region now.
Hell, the Tibetan uprising against the Chinese government later on was organized by the CIA, and the US is open about it and even proud of it now. Here’s a book on that written by a US district judge and a journal by a professor on Tibetan studies. It’s similar to how the US overthrew the democratically elected Mosaddegh in Iran because his policies would benefit Iran instead of the US.
Places like Lemmygrad and Hexbear are actually pretty benign. They’re just on the verge of being acceptable to people so they make a lot of noise and cause a lot of drama but in terms of the actual bad actors… well, as you can see, they don’t even rate.
Meh, I don’t really find the open mass murder fetish benign at all. I don’t care what color your fash is, it’s still abhorrent.
I guess it’s slightly better that they’re mostly honest deniers instead of “they had it coming” types.
I think. I personally find it refreshing in small doses to deal with people that actually know what the fuck they’re talking about in terms of political theory, some of the shit .world users will say is…
Upsetting, intellectually.
Of course, so is talking to a genuine Stalinist.
My experience with hexbear has been pretty fucking far from them knowing political theory, outside of one very specific niche they can kind of articulate as long as you don’t ask them to reduce any of it to fundamentals or first principles.
As far as I can tell, their one trick is quoting books they haven’t actually read, assuming nobody else has read them either. I’ve literally had this same interaction three or four times at this point, over books which don’t say the things they think they say. Like multiple people arguing that some Chomsky work supports their orthodox ML theory.
You can literally get them to argue against the works they are trying cite by quoting them. It’s amusing for a bit, but then it’s just sad.
Hexbear and Lemmygrad are different instances, but tbh at this point I’m just happy with people that can at least vaguely define liberalism and socialism, and I don’t have to see the great minds upvote “communism is right wing, AKSHUALLY, because right wing means authoritarian.”
Edit: ah wait, your comment was under one about both, I conflated it with the other chain about Lemmygrad specifically.
Agreed. While I tend to disagree with most of the viewpoints coming from lemmygrad, at least the content is posted with benign intent. The room might stink, but nobody intentionally shat on the floor.
The room might stink, but nobody intentionally shat on the floor.
I like this figure of speech a lot, stealing it 😁
I think this highlights what people think when they hear “defederating” vs its actual purpose. It’s controversial when it’s between serious instances that people actually use but with wildly incompatible opinions, but there’s very few objections when it’s blocking CSAM!
Okay, yeah this was my thought as I wrote this, I won’t deny it. But to be fair, LemmyGrad does more than just to be controversial. They provoke and brigade and justify terrible Crimes against Humanity. And I might bet that some of the Stuff they say could even be illegal here in Germany.
I imagine most of the big servers have them blocked but it’s probably the individual servers that make up the majority of the numbers. If you’re self-hosting then you can just ignore instances you don’t like and be relatively confident they won’t hassle you. The other kind though, probably want to preempt them!
I’d imaging its fur and anime, not CSAM.
Fur, anime, and CSAM groups have a not so insignificant overlap of members sometimes, sadly.
Judging from some of the other comments in this thread I’m not so sure
If the FBI are on here, they’d better work harder
Maybe its their instances and those are honeypots
Maybe its their instances and those are just the way they are
Apparently it is rather easy to gather personal data as an instance owner, so it really makes you wonder.
That’s actually pretty concerning, however my mantra is that anything with bad optics just stays in my head. Nobody can gather what I won’t say!
Not aware of any of these, which is nice, but
iddqdcaught my eye since that’s a Doom reference! Overall I always thought the Doom community was pretty positive (at least going by Doomworld forums, and various Doom streamers, as I remember them). I thought surely it must be some misunderstanding! Oh maybe they didn’t reply quickly enough to take down some drive-by hate speech, but that was it.Anyway, holy shit, do not go to that lemmy instance. It’s rotten to the core. I’m going to go take a shower and play through Episode 1 to cleanse myself now.
iddqdwas a well known cheat code from the era, not exactly obscure if not contemporary.The Doom fandom will always have the dark shadow of the Columbine High School deaths in its history. So shitty people using Doom to be shitty people isn’t that far from the mark. Nothing will ever change that, sorry.
It’s pretty standard 4chan-NEET fare, for anyone who is wondering. Racism, homophobia, xenophobia, trad wives, and quasi-pro-nazi shit.
Not worth your time to check out. Small community of sad nerds.
4chan wasn’t like that before 2015. Well, except for the racism part. It was leftish/libertarian.
It’s also the easiest “social media” platform to game. You don’t have to make up a history for each user. You don’t have to get upvoted. You don’t even really need to make sense.
And to think, the Q shit started on these sites.
Hell way back in the day, 4chan was one of my go-to websites, before the joking and trolling on /b/ really wasn’t joking and trolling any more.
Back before people who weren’t joking started to join in
Right. The really early oughts, when trolling was still a real thing, were so radically different that it’s hard to explain to people these days
I wonder why gameliberty.club is the only Mastodon instance in this list that uses the old blue logo.
Because they are still on version 3
Right
It’s funny/sad the stark contrast between the ones where you can’t really tell why they’re defederated from just the name vs the ones where it’s extremely obvious (and how little in-between there is)
Eientei? From touhou? Wonder what’s in there. Also was expecting to see the pawoo competitor misskey.io since several japanese artists went there after Musk bought twitter.
I checked. Mostly a handful-of-people instance doing whatever on some Pleroma/Akkoma instance. Not much to see there and not much of what I could see there seemed to make much sense to me. Perhaps the defeds are mostly preventative but I cannot tell.
