This should include a user count in each so we can see just how many pedos and nazis are being punted to their own little disgusting bubbles
Most pedos are nazis and vice versa.
I don’t think there’s a reliable source for that claim, but it’s mean to two groups I don’t like and is therefore true
You got a way with words.
A little correction: while some of pedo instances are full of potential child abusers, others are based on non-offending (i.e. stop fucking children ffs) principles.
The latter are actually extremely important since they provide a gateway for otherwise potentially dangeous individuals to gain support and find professional help. Trying to instead blindly seed hatred towards people with any immutable traits is never productive, be it any mental disorder, sexuality, or otherwise, same as race and gender. In this case, it only prevents pedophiles from seeking help, making them more likely to become the child predator type and actually pose danger to kids.
Being a pedophile is not a choice. Being a Nazi or a child abuser are, and those should fuck themselves (but also reconsider what they do and what they believe in).
Being a pedo may not be a choice, but acting on it definitely is. And any pedo who has to go searching for pedo friendly communities is not looking for help, theyre looking to get off.
Its not a big secret to them that they have something wrong to live with. They dont need a support community to tell them how not to fuck kids. It shouldnt take that much self control for them to not fuck kids…
I’d even bet the vast majority of them already do just fine living normal lives. Just like the vast majority of “normal” adults dont go around raping each other just because they feel sexually aroused by someone.
How do you jump from “searching for pedo friendly communities” to “looking to get off”?
Imagine being a gay in a country where you’ll be in real danger if you’ll ever mention it. Would you like to have someone at least online to talk about how you feel? Probably yes. Same idea. It’s hard to hold up things that big throughout life, as just about any closeted LGBT+ person will tell you.
And then with any attraction that is actually dangerous and also illegal when acted on, like, well, pedophilia, or zoophilia, or biastophilia, or God knows what, there will always be people in doubt on whether they should go for it or not. And a community of people with the same issue telling them “we know how you feel, but CERTAINLY NO” would be way more productive than randoms on the Internet shaming them and putting them into the same bin as actual rapists.
Of course, most of them will probably never offend regardless. But people in doubt, as well as people in mental distress, are to always keep in mind. And if you ignore them, you get more child abuse, more suicides, and more pain and suffering in the world.
Maybe im wrong and they need support. Maybe im not. I certainly am in no position to say one way or another with authority. But i’d rather be wrong about keeping them shamed than be wrong about letting them feel positive about their issue.
Either way, i respectfully am done discussing the topic for now. I will give your opinions some thought though.
I’ll play the devil’s advocate here. Not supporting or opposing your point of view. Just to add to the discussion. Let’s use another extreme: People with a killing spree sexual attraction. I know, I know, it may be not the same, and it’s something that doesn’t exist (God I hope!) But for the sake of the argument, let’s assume it does.
You have this forum of people posting memes about mass killings and frustrations about not being able to kill, but that you would totally never ever kill anyone, even though the urge is there.
What would you think of such community? Would it be a safe one?
(Dear CIA, NSA, FBI agents, the above is just a completely hypothetical scenario. I am a law-abiding citizen. Always have, always will.)
…there is a joke here that I could make about incel forums. I’m not going to try to because it’s in poor taste, but my point is that I’m pretty sure that does exist…
Also, what’s your actual position if that’s your devil’s advocate position? I’m a bit unsure if the implication there is intentional or not
Well, I don’t really have a position. I think pedophilia is heinous, but I understand that sexual attraction is not a choice. Would an internet forum be a good and healthy supporting tool for pedophiles making an effort to do the right thing? That’s the question I’m trying to answer.
Here’s something I found on the issue:
https://www.nomos-elibrary.de/10.5771/9783748904403-279.pdf
TL;DR it very much depends on the nature of the platform, but peer support platforms like Virtuous Pedophiles seem to be more good than bad, helping in combating child sexual abuse.
I’d argue it’s way better to give them a platform to vent, so instead of going to the street and killing everyone they post memes and share therapists.
Would I be grossed out? Hell yeah, just like with pedophilia. Would I still think it’s a good thing? Absolutely.
It’s easy to go with your gut feeling and think you’re righteous to follow it. It’s always harder to think it through and do and support what’s actually right.
It’s funny/sad the stark contrast between the ones where you can’t really tell why they’re defederated from just the name vs the ones where it’s extremely obvious (and how little in-between there is)
This is why I believe federation should be an opt-in process rather than servers being federated by default.
Some of you may remember when Lemmy World was flooded with CSAM by other hostile instances and had to temporarily disable image uploads.
Lemmy supports both blacklist and whitelist federation, but the only large instance that uses whitelist federation as far as I know currently is Hexbear.
there are peoples who create instances for their families, who is going to manually federate with all these small instances?
Nominally, you’d need to go through some request process to request federation with other large instances. Then they’d vet your configuration before adding you.
Would be nice if they had some form of agreement where you can get accepted by one big instance, you get accepted by all. Or maybe even a standard order form and application which you can send to all major instances with the click of a button
That would destroy the already limited content of the fedi. It’s like people hate content discovery for some reason.
It’s almost like federation is a stupid fucking idea that doesn’t work
It’s almost like it’s fundamentally broken and no one else wants to admit it
What do you think towns and cities are
Stupid fucking ideas.
Well how do you think it should work then?
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The name “cum.salon” just kills me
freespeechextremist
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freecumextremistgot me
The fact that it is a registered domain is just class.
Are domain name approvals nowadays fully automated or are there still people looking over them?
There’s probably automated checks for certain words that a person might have to look at but it’s likely all automated.
Sound like fed honeypots to me
fed cumpots
Well, a few people have already pointed out the nastiest sounding one, so I’ll go with wolfgirl.bar
Pretty sure I’d want eye bleach after that.
Or of curiosity, what’s bad about that one? I’m a person who likes animal peepz, but if they’ve been defederated there’s gotta be more to it that “wolf girls the server”
Quick edit: I went there and I need an account to see stuff, which id rather not do if this server has issues.
It should be shunned and defederated so the degenerate furries hide and learn shame
I looked it up through the link somebody shared on the comments here and the admin is a neonazi.
BOOOOOO yeah defed that shit hahaha
Damn furry Nazis.
Nazi furries have been a thing for years. The regular furries don’t like them.
Good question. I was only talking about my own personal tastes. I don’t know what would be objectively worthy of defederation, because what you’re talking about is fine.
Fair! Someone else here said the admin is a neo-Nazi so fuck all that shit
Why was Alex Gleason defederated?
@Jake_Farm @witchdoctor Too based for the leftoid soyboy fedi instances.
I think he was employed by truth social for a while, and it might have been just because of his prior involvement as a programmer. But could be wrong about him working there or wrong about that being the reason.
Does kiwifarms.cc even exist anymore? I remember hanging out there while the main site was under maintenance, but it seems to have gone offline since then
Not sure why this is downvoted, but’s been down for longer than a week according to isitdownrightnow.
coordinating bullying with the intent of causing suicide is frowned upon
Not sure why this is downvoted
Because people hate Kiwi Farms. The reason why people hate them because KF haves freedom and it’s unkillable.
People frown upon doxxing and stalking, the law does so too.
Especially if it is just to push people into suicide.
Any sane person would hate KiwiFarms. They are the degenerates of the internet. Akin to skinheads. Anyone who identifies as one of them should be banned, IP blocked and seriously beaten if encountered in real life.
Cause kiwifarmers are degens
I hope not, it was a toxic shit hole filled with complete fucking losers.
Newbie question here… What’s the difference between federated and de-federated?
So you need to look at the number of de federations. That is basically how many other instances have blocked them and do not receive content from them to their feed. You can still go to all these instances using their respective urls and see what they are like. The reasons for blocking them vary depending on the instance. Edit: They can still be federated with other instances that don’t block them creating their own little fediverse bubbles.
Defederated means that the server has been forbidden from connecting and communicating with specific other servers that have decided to defederate with it, so users from the server can’t see or interact with users and posts on the server that defederated it and vice versa. Hopefully I was clear and coincise.
Federated means that any instance that is federated with them receives their content and can bee seen on that instance.
Defederated means they are not federated anymore, thus blocking both users and content.
It’s usually done to combat content you don’t want on your instance
Ok ok… So me using Lemmy.world is a specific instance of Lemmy, so it’s almost like its own server? And other instances (maybe lemmy.unitiedstates?) is its own federated instance likely related to just U.S. posts and it can communicate with other instances? Do de-federated instances have no other communication with instances?
Apologies if these are silly, I feel like a dum dum because everyone else seems to grasp this except me.
Some of these im… Curious about. Presumably the names are dog whistles (when they’re not just openly stating their purpose)… But IDK the whistle so I’m curious af.
Not curious enough to get put on some list by actually checking them out though lol
“cum.salon” sounds thrilling. I both want it to be exactly what it says it is, but also, something completely different.
Free cum extremist?!?! Sounds exhilarating
Most of these are gonna be pedo/lolicon stuff, closely followed by unmoderated hate and spam instances.
Oh those hate sites are very closely moderated. They know exactly what kind of content they want on there and anything else gets the boot.
But like…
Free cum extremist?!? Porn and radical political views in the same place? I’m intrigued!
I’m honestly most curious about wolfgirl because that just sounds like furry shit, but nobody hates furries that much, so what dog whistle am I missing???
Wolfgirl: feed is broken, or possibly just denied until you login. Don’t care enough to make an account. About page:
It’s not a war crime if you had fun doing it.
I reserve the right to bully you in any way my administration powers allow, or just normally.Eh.
FCE: broken, 50/50 chance of malware, meh.
I have no idea what lolicon is
Hentai depicting prepubescent girls. That shit is highly illegal in the UK, Switzerland and some US states and is punished as severely as CSAM.
Canada, too, i think.
pedophilia, with excuses.
try ’em out with Tor – get onto a federal list and an NSA list at the same time …
This is the reason why Lemmy doesn’t grow as much as it could. Keep defederating until all instances are single islands with 10 users each and no useful content.
To a degree. I think lemmy wont grow because only socially inept nerd losers frequent this site.
What about everything else that isn’t “socially inept nerd losers” that is also defederated because someone felt like it. This is the same issues that we’ve with “freedom of speech”, if you block some it’s a slippery slope and you’ll eventually block what you shouldn’t. Look I don’t approve the actions and content those people post, for let’s not open precedents here.
I disagree with tankies, social justice warriors and nazis. I would only defederate the latter.
Tankies get banned when they inevitably excuse a holocaust and social justice warriors can only cry on the internet all day about why nobody gives them free shit just for existing and how people who have more than them are monsters.There, i opened the can of worms.
Fuck Nazis, but the biggest Problem lemmy has is the first 2.
Lemmy has no good content that isn’t “having money is genocide” and “haha this guy doesnt use Linux”
It won’t do well but ill stand on the side and watch them.Finally, someone with common sense.
None of these instances are Lemmy (or anything other on threadiverse)
Yes, I’m sure the reason we don’t grow is because we refuse to federate with nazi and pedo content. Oh what will the fediverse do without these folks.
Yeah sure, in the same way that piracy was defederated or other multiple instances about nothing illegal.
Name one reason why anyone should federate with any of the listed instances. I’ll wait.
Just because there are bad places on the street it doesn’t mean people shouldn’t be allowed to go there.
Is anyone keeping you from opening the bad instance in your browser? No.
If you want to go there, make an account there.
The owner of poa.st, Graf is cringe and an idiot.
pawoo.net got taken down for CSAM.
The people behind Gab can’t code themselves out of a paper beg. They got hacked 3 times.
Thanks hal
No problem, Dave.
Jesus one is just called pedo school. What the actual fuck
How to spot a honey pot 101
This is a real rogues gallery of internet. And… a soccer team from Detroit. What the fuck did those guys do?
Enjoy soccer - the most heinous of social crimes
Best sport in the world. Football is more than just FIFA etc, you know? Getting children to play and have fun is good. Me and my friends playing football is also good. But yeah, just boil everything down to how corps fuck things up.
Lol why the f do I get downvoted for this.
No sir, the best sport in the world is chess! Purely deterministic!
You sound like a heinous soccer player.
Go kick a ball somewhere.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
As someone from Detroit, I checked out the link for that instance, and uhhhh I wish I hadn’t.
Yeah, I did the same. I was thinking, “cool, an instance close to home… Oh God… no… No no no”
What was it? This list really piques my curiosity but I know it’s better not to look….
Just racist pedo bullshit
I’ve never heard of any of these.
Awesome
Surprised Gab isn’t the record holder, it was the big deal example the fediverse advocates held up as how awesome the fediverse is at moderating itself, especially the “defed if federated with” rule instances started using to actually quarantine the users from Gab
Gab federates no more.
