This again?
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Incoming Meat Canyon video
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A privately owned platform cannot serve the public good. There will always be conflicts of interest. A proper public square should be funded by a competent government (but those are rare) or decentralized.
When suggested adblock, my mother also do not convinced it’s right to use them. Basically, my mother is grateful for the service provided, and will “pay” by watching ads. I guess this one is not so clear-cut.
I hate the way they‘re doing it and how they push their silly premium subscription in my face whenever I open the app to look something up quick. Adblock all the way. But you‘re right. They have to make money somehow. They‘re a corporation after all. It‘s naive to think they will ever give up.
I’m imagining a future where you’re not allowed to mute broadcast commercials
I mean they already show ads when you pause. It’s just a tiny jump further to play video ads when you pause.
Fifteen Million Merits - Black Mirror - 2011
Please drink verification can.
You already often can’t mute ads directly, you can only mute them on whatever platform you’re watching them on.
Exactly, it’s absolutely absurd.
Think we ought to just start harassing marketers and anyone involved with advertising.
It’s worse than that. They use so much bw that most users have limited higher -speed to access, but they’re not giving anyone vouchers to pay for extra bandwidth.
The whole idea that it violates the terms of service of a company to not let them show things on my screen without my consent is insane.
Something something contract of adhesion something something. It is functionally a term of service to watch the whole body of content as a condition of watching any of it.
It’s like if every time you went to the grocery store, the employees held you down and force fed you a free sample, then banned you from the store when you started running away from them.
This effectively used to be how people would sell Time Share rentals. You would “win” a “free vacation” to a destination that hosted the time share. Then, in order to check in you needed to sit through a sales pitch that only ended when you agreed to purchase the unit you’d allegedly been awarded as a prize.
If you tried to leave the sales pitch prematurely, you were ejected from the venue.
Yeah, and there’s a reason contracts of adhesion are [supposed to be] illegal.
Use freetube, a desktop frontend to invidious that you can import your sub list
Never look back
Still working here, you can try clearing ubo’s cache to see if it goes away.
War, War never changes.
Haven’t got this yet.
I always wonder what part of the world those who do are in. Cuz I get the feeling YouTube is only doing this shit in certain regions. Or if it’s just a hiccup with the adblocker itself, because it was shown pretty early on when these reports first started being posted that it was an issue with AdBlock Plus as well as there being workarounds for uBlock Origin due to some buggy Firefox updates.
Germany here.
My brother in Canada got hit with it. Using the temp fix OP posted here seems to work for now.
I just got the same warning on FF with uBlock. Both Freetube and NewPipe seem to be fine though. I guess Freetube it is until uBlock is patched.
Edit: Also, glad I’m not the only human watching Grossi’s videos today lol.
There is a fix for ublock, go into the ublock provided lists and disable the quick fixes list
Freetube ftw
I just checked a bunch of random videos, ff with uBlock, none of them displayed this message.
I believe they tend to roll these out in batches. It creates less uproar than hitting everyone at once.
Somebody else mentioned possible region tests, too. I can definitely see them doing these things.
I wasn’t trying to be like “well it didn’t happen to me so it’s not happening” at all. I fully expect to see it eventually. I hope not though.
Oh yeah, I didn’t take it that way, no worries.
They come and go though. Usually there’s a solution pretty fast when it happens.
Well I guess I’ll be mozying over to Rumble now.
20 minutes later
Turns out Jews are aliens directing the Democratic Party and Hollywood to sacrifice babies for adrenochrome. Why is the lamestream media not talking about this???
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It all becomes clear once you understand that the Jews returning to Israel is a precondition for the Christian apocalypse. Christofascists don’t give a flying fuck about the Jews; they support Israel as a country (and Zionism in particular) for the entirely ghoulishly selfish reason that they wanna get ‘raptured.’
And you both are oversimplifying by putting the christian zionist nutjobs within the same basket with the vast array of other nutjobs and assume that they are all the same.
All of our politicians are proud zionists, even if few are jews, or extreme evangelicals.
oversimplifying by putting the christian zionist nutjobs within the same basket with the vast array of other nutjobs
It’s a fairly compact venn diagram.
Instead of dismissing you out of hand, I wouldn’t mind hearing what the big picture is that you see.
Imagine being Jewish and on either side people hate you.
Right wing: Jews are behind everything
Left wing: Jews are zionists and zionists are Nazis because Israel.
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I know very well that many Jews are against Netanyahu. All my relatives in Israel regularly protest that war criminal, along with tens of thousands of others.
Doesn’t stop the majority on this site from equating Israel with Jews. I made the mistake of writing “mazel tov” as part of one of my previous comments and received all sorts of colourful inbox messages calling me a “Zionist” lol.
“I hate you, but I hate these guys even more. Nice job”
Also a ‘I hate you but, you build a nice ethnostate that I want to adapt over where I live.’
Don’t forget, jews have to own the entire holy land before the apocalypse comes and god sends them to hell, according to evangelical Christians.
Well, the Jewish Jews are the LORD’s chosen, underdogs who are bravely soldiering the storm, but the American Jews are communist Satan worshippers who’ve sold their souls for control of the world. They’ve been battling for millenia to control the space lasers.
Also, now that I’ve imagined it, there’s both porn and a Manga of it.
God I was looking for peertube apps and rumble was advertised in the app store. Boy did I have a surprise when I scrolled through the most subscribed list
Yeah, don’t do that. The most popular content on YouTube isn’t bad in the same way it is on Rumble/Odyssey, but in general, it’s filled with clickbait/rage bait and is generally pretty awful. It’s going to be especially awful on Rumble and Odyssey because it’s a refuge for people who didn’t like YouTube’s policies, so it’s going to largely be conspiracy theorists and far right nonsense.
That said, there’s some good on every platform. On Rumble, I like Glenn Greenwald, who is a right of center independent journalist who lives in Brazil (also gay, but that’s irrelevant). On Odyssey, I like Mental Outlaw (covers hacks, leaks, and privacy related news) and Naomi Brockwell (privacy advocacy). I don’t have an account at either, largely because those platforms are full of trash, I just sub through Grayjay so I don’t see that nonsense.
I wish a credible alternative existed, but for now, I’ll hedge a bit with other platforms.
I remember, pre-wikileaks, when Glen Greenwald was left of center. Or at least that was my perspective at the time.
I think he’s pretty centrist, but he does tend to defend Trump a bit (not a fanboy, but a “see what he does” position) and is against supporting Ukraine, which is why I say he’s right of center. He’s nowhere near the Republican Party though, he’s pretty independent.
Regardless, I don’t really care where he sits on the left/right spectrum, I just appreciate an independent voice that backs statements with facts.
Lol.
There’s some decent content if you look. I like Glenn Greenwald, and I sub to NBTV and Mental Outlaw on Odyssey. There’s a lot of nonsense on all platforms, but if you’re careful, you may find some decent stuff there. I wish more YouTubers would re-upload on other platforms, but I guess that’s asking too much…
Alien Jews directing the Democratic Party would undoubtedly be an improvement.
I’d watch the shit outta that with some popcorn. Between the logic jumps and the mandatory hand-waving of actual evidence to the contrary, and sheer numbers of fallacies to make the argument make sense it sounds like a hella entertaining time
What’s the Fediverse YouTube? ooof. that’s a tough nut.
YT Shorts maybe
Peertube, but it’s really not nearly the replacement lemmy or mastodon are.
Yet. It’s still very new, and as enshittification increases, so will federated development.
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No one understands the astronomical bandwidth, CPU/GPU intensive calcs, and data storage necessities required to do anything close to what YouTube currently does.
There is no way under this warm sun that a fediverse version of YouTube will ever be feasible, unless someone like literally yourself is willing to pay extraordinary high amounts of money for all the required infrastructure and daily maintenance to run it.
I would want to see some data on costs, because I think you might be overselling the difficulty and cost a bit (I don’t actually know, just my good faith belief). Imagine if every content creator ran their own instance. Instead of needing to worry about every user coming to a single group of servers, the Creator only needs to worry about the cost of hosting their own content and the traffic they get.
With the number of YouTubers who have to get sponsorships and Patreon anyway, it doesn’t really seem that infeasible or unreasonable to expect content creators to run their own thing or pay to have someone else to do it. Doesn’t seem like the YouTube money is that lucrative, anymore, so not like it would be all that different, either.
https://gbtimes.com/how-much-does-youtube/
Estimated annual server cost: approximately $1 billion
Estimated annual data center cost: approximately $5 billion
Estimated annual bandwidth cost: $3 billion
Good luck running that shit from your closet server.
Sure, but you’re assuming all content is on one server. With something like PeerTube, content is federated.
That said, I don’t think federation is the solution here because a popular video is going to completely swamp that instance, but something P2P would probably work if you can stream from multiple seeders. Even if you copy like we do w/ Lemmy, you’d still end up with a handful of instances that are way more popular than the rest and those would get hammered if there’s a particularly popular video.
If you can spread that $6B (ignoring bandwidth here) over 10M people, you end up with a very reasonable $600/year, and costs would go down as more people join the network. I also assume a lot of that is duplication to handle demand spikes, which is baked in to the P2P system, so a P2P system would probably be way cheaper to scale up.
but something P2P would probably work if you can stream from multiple seeders
Which is, in fact, exactly how PeerTube works: it’s got BitTorrent built right into it.
Frankly, it’s ridiculous how people keep harping on this “problem” as if it isn’t long since solved.
I thought it was largely federated? I don’t know how the internals work, so I don’t know what group of peers it’ll pull from.
Regardless, the problem PeerTube has little to do with its technical foundation IMO, but the network effect. If we get people to start using it, either we’ll fix it or we’ll develop something better, but getting creators to move is the first step.
If you read the links, this includes their server clusters and employees across the entire world all doing complex load balancing and maintenance.
Sure, and none of that is necessary with a proper P2P system. If I’m torrenting something, it’ll naturally pull from seeders near me over seeders on the other side of the planet, so load balancing happens by every client being greedy.
The complex load balancing is only necessary because it’s a centralized service.
This protocol already exists and so does the system, PeerTube.
Why no significant quantity of people use it is apparent after you try it for a while; the entire server system cannot handle the commensurate volume of content and interactions that YouTube is popular for.
According to that first link, it costs $6.1 billion to $11.7 billion annually to run YouTube. Even if you segment that into niche video communities, it’ll still cost hundreds of millions of dollars annually to host it, if you get a decent amount of traffic.
This is why YouTube is a monopoly. Because they have the ridiculous amount of money to throw at a “free” video hosting site. Any other video host would crumble under the weight of YouTube’s level of traffic. That’s also why some others, like Nebula, require a subscription model to function. Or any movie/TV show streaming service. They can’t afford to host that stuff for free.
This is also why Google is so obsessed with cracking down on anti-ad software. That’s how they make the money that pays for YouTube.
According to this, as of Jan 2024 there were 14 Billion videos on Yt. So effectively a dollar and change to host a video for all YT users.
Obviously it doesn’t work like that, but if the above commenter’s point was that I, a content creator, host my video and manage my own costs, and that video is linked via whatever federation, I can monetize and limit as needed as a creator, thus popular videos get paid to host, and unpopular videos are hosted for more or less table stakes because they’re only getting X hits per Month.
Some kind of WordPress-like container with a built-in safety switch for overages and - hey presto. Well, it’s a thought anyway.
I dunno, it seems do-able, even if the Great Unwashed are going to stick with YT and getting ads up the wazoo to see “I Stuffed My Face In A Fusion Reactor - Watch What Happens Next” and the like.
Several tried. Nothing as elaborate as cross dissemination, federation or whatever. But at least 5 to 10 years ago it proved to be almost impossible. Platforms like Rooster teeth, which was 100% subscription based, I think never broke even and still relied on YT ads for the majority of the revenue. Some big and small channels tried to at least just catalog, archive and serve their own videos and the costs still became astronomical really fast. Whenever you see one of those very old channels, most of them don’t conserve copies, let alone original source footage of their entire material. Everyone just delete their videos once they’ve been on YouTube for a month or so now, and they have to download their own videos when they want to reuse old footage.
Storage is cheap today, yes, but video really eats storage at an alarming rate. Specially now that 4k is the standard. So you have to reuse storage over and over. Transcoding is also really fast and optimized with modern algorithms, but it takes specialized graphical cards and data centers charge a premium to use servers with such capacities. Self hosting will never be able to satisfy a moderate demand. Get anything above 100 users simultaneously transcoding videos and a non-specialized server will halt to a grind just on IO calls to hard drives alone.
Once you consider all those factors it is obvious why YouTube is such a miracle.
It’s such a miracle becuase the world gave it all of their content for free.
At least in part.
peertube federates on activitypub
Monetization. Tumbleweed content-wise. Some content producers make content for money.
Media reach: Content is stored, where the consumers look for it.
A “fediverse” version of Youtube already got made and subsequently killed, PopcornTime.
The Bittorrent backbone already has plenty of media and can handle more bandwidth than we’d ever need to throw at it. Encrypted Onion Routing provides a degree of insurance against copyright cops, too. The only problems left to solve are automating the discovery of user-relevant content and avoiding the legal system long enough to write and popularize an open source app that puts it all together with a couch-friendly front-end.
PopcornTime was so amazing and important. Sad to see it dead.
At this point, I wonder how we can solve google’s youtube monopoly. Is it even doable? So overwhelming.
Simplest solution is to kill Google CEOs, anything else proposed as a solution will take longer than your entire lifetime.
What part of “bittorrent” do you not understand? I am really getting fucking sick and tired of people like you posting this bullshit FUD.
PeerTube uses WebTorrent protocol and it still doesn’t do well with the same quantity of bandwidth demands.
Post your own self-hosted PeerTube instance for us all to use then, let’s see who’s correct. Otherwise provide a solution or shut the fuck up.
I love that the replies to you are half saying that it’s an impossible problem, and half linking to existing solutions.
Mine’s different:
You use Arch, btw
Running yt in browser is so inefficient. So in in its native app.
This is not a post about phones…
I watch my YouTube content pre-downloaded by punchflat on my private Jellyfin instance just like everybody else!
i use ublock origin
reddit still good for something: Filter Lists–>uBlock filters–>uncheck the “ublock filters - quickfixes” box and then reload the page.
this worked for me
Awesome.
The day FireFox and UBlock Origin stop working with eachother completely. Might be the day I just uninstall all of my browsers and use my PC more personally than before.
Rip chrome. It just killed ublock for me yesterday
Fuck reddit, this solution did not work for me. All YouTube videos stop buffering after 59 seconds. Only fixes i have found is with either making a custom userscript or disabling ublock from working on YouTube by whitelisting the entire domain.
Or you could download freetube and be done with it
Only one of my three computers was having this problem, but this solution worked for me as well. Thanks for sharing it here!
Huh, I was able to just close the pop-up and play the video as normal.
Yea this is also what I had to do to get things moving again.
I didn’t screencap it but today on YT I was given a modal that said I was using an adblocker (ublock) and I have three more videos before they require premium. I changed VPN locations and stopped getting the message.
Yup, I use ublock origin and have never had issues on YT.
They do random testing. I’ve received one of these a couple of times with unlock as well. Google/yt has not fully committed.
I hope they don’t commit. But if they do, I guess that’ll be the end of YT for me…
Sometimes I have to use YouTube rawdog for work and it’s unusable, if I want to skip forward in the video to reach the solution to my problem I get an add every time I click the timeline.
If you need it for work, why don’t you have YouTube premium?
I don’t speak for the person you are asking, but for me the reason is that google is evil, and huge. They don’t need my money, and I wouldn’t pay them for any reason.
I expect that if the workplace officially needed to use YouTube, then that workplace would be paying for that subscription. But if its just that sometimes someone wants to include video from YouTube in a presentation or something - then probably not.
The way they worded it, it sounded like dealing with YouTube was their job, like maybe managing a company’s YT account. So yeah, I totally expect a company to pay for YT premium. I’m certainly not suggesting they do it, unless they’re a freelancer or something.
Yeah you and a lot of people. There’s a couple articles about it but essentially there’s some talk of pushback.
And personally for me there are alternatives that people could use. While not a lot of people are on it, peertube is a viable alternative. I’ve watched a couple of small creators on it and it ha good performance. Just a very small audience.
Makertube is one of my favorites.
Get a cheap (Argentina, Egypt, Ghana, India, Ecuador) premium… There are dozens of instructions on how to get it through a VPN.
Wait yt premium has different rates in different countries? Anyway hosting a free to use service like youtube cost a ton in storage and bandwidth, contrary to nebula. I would rather support it as it doesn’t do DRM and other too much user hostile stuffs (I’m using free software clients for long time, no issue. I’ll continue after premium too as official client isn’t that good). But ofc first I would like to know actual budget and ad money cash flow to see if it needs help really or just a marketing tactic to pump up revenue in typical corporate fashion.
Anybody has such income-expense data source for youtube?
A lot of companies have regional pricing. Some regions jist have way lower buying power and as such cannot afford 60$ games as it can be quite a significant sum of their income as compared to us.
Nah. I’m just gonna steal it all for free. Thanks, tho.
Pretty sure this doesn’t work anymore. They stopped it a few months back.
YouTube is canceling accounts in other countries in waves at the moment. My account in Vietnam (I live in Germany) will also be canceled in mid-January 2025. I would have to add a Vietnamese credit card, which would be a bit much work for me.
It works for me! I have a german account with YouTube family prem sub through Peru.
I saw it and refreshed the ublock filters and everything works again
ad blocker detector blocker in filter list go brrr
I kinda miss when places would host their own videos instead of relying on youtube, but that’s the problem of a centralized internet, the majority of people won’t want to leave yt/ig/fb/tiktok/twitter/reddit in order to watch or read whatever you posted.
Let’s help grow Peertube, then.
Also said-hosted video often has really shitty players.
And the reddit hug of death issue…
So in other words this is a tech issue.
As someone who’s written in-browser player and transcoding/server code…the lemmy/mastodon etc. version of this can work, especially if flexible bitrate handling is baked into it (i.e., bitrate offer/acceptance matching over a protocol). You can get this down to YouTube interface + install some software + open a port on your firewall.
Tech issue, infrastructure issue, content issue, financial issue…
Hosting text like lemmy is several orders of magnitude cheaper than video.
I meant something a little more peer-to-peer than lemmy/mastodon actually. Each person self-hosting their own.
So, kinda like Freenet or I2P?
Centralisation and large scale has it’s benefits. There were also many problems with everybody hosting their stuff by themselves. Enshittification is results of private companies having to go profit first (and google being google of course), not so much because they are the only game in town. Being the monopoly merely enables the shitting on users for profit. I see youtube and many google services more like internet’s utilities that are privately owned and that is causing problems, not that they have gotten so big.
People don’t want to deal with the heavy costs and load of hosting their own content. That’s unfortunately the sacrifice. Google is big enough to house it all, whereas, we’d probably see content from a creator last for a finite amount of time before they end up having to close up shop or beg for donations.
Beg for donations? How is being paid for your work “begging”?
As you said, hosting video is not only complicated but just fucking expensive, that’s why people don’t do it themselves. Google pays for it via ads/premium, not by magic pixie dust.
