I know there was some schism and moving of instances, but beyond that I can’t deduce what happened/is happening.
Onehundrednightysix is stupid. You should have just named it oneninesix
Hehe that was one of the first posts – the creator regretting the name. But the community rolled with it. Somehow that fits.
They should’ve called it 197
Semi-related question: What the fuck is 196? I’ve never understood what it was, just that it was a carry-over from Reddit.
I think I’m Rainman, when the 200 toothpicks fell to the ground, Ray counted 196 instantly. There were four left in the box.
The sub name is unrelated, but that’s how I think of it :)
Time to go counting cards…
Some guy made a subreddit called 195 (named after their dorm room number IIRC) where the only rule was that you had to post something before leaving. They later closed the subreddit because it had gotten too large to operate by one person. 196 was created by the community as a successor with the same one rule. Just post. Simple as.
Missing a real chance to continue adding up here. The current one should be 198
A place to shitpost.
The continuation of /r/196.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=r%2F196
r/196
A subreddit that gained popularity due to only having one rule, which is to post before leaving. The sub started after it’s predecessor, r/195, was shut down by the moderators.
For me, a place where people post dumb and entertaining memes. I guess the origin was “rule 196” which says that you have to post something before you leave or log off. But whatever, dumb meme, me press up button.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206
Mods of !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone locked the community on blåhaj and wanted to forcefully move over to lemmy.world. Most people didn’t like that and someone created !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone as an alternative.
After another mod of the instance wanted to forcefully change the community to validate trolls instead of providing a safe space for LGBTQ people
I block most meme based communities because they overpower the rest of what I like, but I’ve been picking up bits of the events from context.
Does this center around the one individual using, shall we say, a very distinct set of pronouns that a lot of people took issue with?
I kind of enjoyed that person in a social commentary way, but I can see why people more directly effected by pronoun usage may have taken issue and blahaj changing their rules due to it, but if that is what is causing this big schism, that’s a pretty wild thing that all is this is the result. I’m interested in the opinions on both sides, but it’s one of these things I’m afraid to ask due to polarization like this. I have genuine curiosity but I can totally see how someone could trollishly go after the same info.
It’s a broader disagreement that’s been simmering for a while. The 196 mods say that the Drag controversy is unrelated, as Dragonfucker had been banned from 196 long before for unrelated reasons.
That’s not what they were saying when Ada said neopronouns aren’t trolling. This thing they’re saying now seems like a PR line to avoid getting the community outright taken by Ada.
At present, drag is banned from 196 for advocating violence against Nazis, but at the time, the ban was for “trolling” after making several posts in support of neopronouns.
Neopronouns aren’t trolling. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone saying otherwise. I believe YOU are though. There’s a wake of drama behind you miles long.
Would, uh, would you say Martin Luther King Junior caused a lot of “drama”? How about Anne Frank? Rosa Parks? Mahatma Gandhi? Dora Richter? Would you call those people “drama llamas” or “trolls” because they were divisive? Because people chose to have a lot of opinions about them? Is that your criteria for deciding if someone is a bad person, that others react strongly to their existence?
How fucking insulting you are to even think to compare yourself to them. This is absolutely evidence you’re here in bad faith to troll.
You’re a troll because you fit the descriptor definition, and you create unnecessary drama everywhere you go. Again, MODLOGS.
You sure seem about as wrongheaded as the Nazis and segregationists after you said “it wasn’t about pronouns” while misgendering a trans person as part of your manufactured drama. That’s a choice you made, to he/him a nonbinary person for absolutely no reason while lying about your motivation. You don’t get to have an opinion on any of this after that stunt.
Man… it is always entertaining to see the extreme limit of mental gymnastics one needs to preform in order to land the jumps you attempt.
You have compared yourself to MLK, and Anne Frank, and now I’m a Nazi because refuse to play along with your trolling?
Astounding.
And not only that, but you seem to have now revoked my right to have an opinion? Hmmm…. That sounds vaguely like you’re trying to tell me I’m not allowed to choose my own perception.
Pot meet…. “drag”
The 196 mods say that the Drag controversy is unrelated, as Dragonfucker had been banned from 196 long before for unrelated reasons.
Although…this is some sort of spat relating to pronouns, and as I recall, isn’t that guy’s thing referring to himself using the third person?
Drag isn’t a man, guy, or dude, and doesn’t use he/him.
That user claims they are enunciating neopronouns, but yes, the inconsistent third person syntax fucks it all up
The spat is unrelated to pronouns or neopronouns, according to the 196 mods. It has to do with the Blahaj admins and the 196 mods disagreeing on moderation behavior for the community, and the 196 mods not wanting to have their own moderation decisions reversed or second-guessed by admins if there wasn’t a rule violation in how the 196 mods handled moderation.
Right, but, uh, weren’t you specifically one of the people who Ada banned even though the 196 mods didn’t want you banned, because you said on 196 that a nonbinary gender identity wasn’t valid? Which is an instance rules violation and not the mods’ decision on whether to action?
The story you’re telling seems very relevant to pronouns and gender if your personal history is included.
Right, but, uh, weren’t you specifically one of the people who Ada banned even though the 196 mods didn’t want you banned, because you said on 196 that a nonbinary gender identity wasn’t valid?
No, but nice try. Very typical of your brand of trolling.
You’re right, drag misremembered there being a ban. It was actually just post locks and comment removals by Ada when you said that queerphobic stuff the mods wouldn’t remove.
Thank you for the correction. Together, we’re getting to the truth.
The locked post isn’t even on Blahaj. The removed comment, that I was leaving because of disagreements with the admins but acknowledged their right to make such decisions, was hilariously petty in the vein of Ada removing posts (and handing out bans) for people saying things like “Dragons aren’t real”. Nor am I at any point defended by the 196 mods.
You know damn well it has nothing to do with pronouns. It’s about your abuse of them. You’re just making the “attack helicopter” argument, but in a way that’s subtle enough to be believable by people gullible enough to be taken advantage of.
You’ve been banned from several instances for trolling, and finally found one that buys into it- this creating even more drama.
And your evidence is that you don’t like drag’s gender? And everything you don’t like is an evil plot?
If it’s not about pronouns, why did you have to he/him drag in your other comment?
You could have totally gone with a nice neutral they/them and nobody would have complained. If it’s not about pronouns, why are you going out of your way to use the wrong ones?
My evidence is the modlogs that prove how frequently you stir pots.
Why are you being so vague about what the disagreement was?
As I understand it, it wasn’t a singular disagreement, but a number of incidents in which, as I said, the 196 mods didn’t want to have their own moderation decisions reversed or second-guessed if 196’s ruleset was in compliance with the requirements of the instance.
Ah. Well, that seems like a shitty excuse. They’re public servants, they chose this role, they should just be made to deal with that. If they don’t want to have to deal with rules preventing them from abusing their fellow users, they shouldn’t be mods and should just spend their free time playing video games instead. They remind me of cop characters on police procedural tv shows that are mad that liberal politicians won’t let them commit brutality against and trample all over the civil rights of the citizens they’re supposed to be protecting
I’m also going to be completely blunt, I don’t believe you that having to respect the choice of pronouns of transgender users isn’t the issue for them. I think you’re lying through your teeth to cover for them.
If they don’t want to have to deal with rules preventing them from abusing their fellow users
That’s… not at all what I said.
I’m also going to be completely blunt, I don’t believe you that having to respect the choice of pronouns of transgender users isn’t the issue. I think you’re lying to cover for them.
I’m lying to cover for the trans folk on the mod team saying that they will continue to respect neopronouns and enforce rules against misgendering on the .world comm.
Uh.
Okay.
Thanks for these responses. I hope everyone reaches a satisfactory resolution to this. I don’t like to see communities or instances infighting, but I suppose it’s just part of us growing as a platform.
Home brew drama is driving genuine engagement…
Let them fight, bring some popcorn!
At the end of the day, they ain’t leaving fedi so it is win win
I mean, it has drug me into it despite me having them hidden in my feed, so it’s effective.
Not the type of things I usually look for, but I know many do enjoy it.
Blahaj didn’t change its rules. Misgendering isn’t allowed on Blahaj, it never was, and it never will be. Blahaj is founded on values of empathy and tolerance. Respecting neopronoun users is nothing new to the queer community, no matter how new it is to the 196 mods.
Thanks for the clarification that it was an enforcement rather than a change. I feel that is significant to the story.
I still believe that it isn’t trolling, as you/drag are far too consistent and what you/drag posts is really just regular, responsible, non-inflammatory stuff, at least what of it I’ve come across, though I avoid most edgier posts in general.
If people don’t like it, they have numerous options to ignore or avoid the posts and comments, I don’t see why so many have to actively trash what guidelines you’ve/drag have asked people to respect.
As a CIS/het, I will freely admit I don’t know enough about the issues to judge if this is helpful or hurtful to the non-binary community as a whole, but until I see you/drag do something rude, I have no complaints about giving you what consideration you ask for, as you/drag have been nothing but respectful to me. It doesn’t make me feel like any other non-binary people are a joke or anything like that. Different things make different people happy, and if what I’ve read from your comments has all been genuine, your/drag’s life isn’t the easiest, and if me be respectful of some word choices can make life not worse, it’s the least I can do.
Thank you very much. Those are some very kind words.
I come on here to escape the shittiness of real life and to be positive. It doesn’t matter to me who or what anyone here wants to be, as long as they’re here being cool with everyone else. Online is built for freedom, escapism, and expression of all kinds, and I don’t like seeing people step on that. For those of us that can appreciate the unique color you bring, I love it as an expression of that freedom.
People here will play as a DND character, a LARPer, study HEMA, or treat the Tolkien universe as a pseudo-reality, and no one will bat an eye, but someone wants to be called a dragon out of established content and all of a sudden we have to crush them? It doesn’t make sense to me. Again, they can ignore you, or filter you out, they don’t need to throw insults when they see drag pop up. I don’t get what that accomplishes.
I don’t want to keep going with this here, as it appears I unintentionally dragged you/drag into something that drag isn’t directly involved in, so apologies for that, but I’m still pro-drag based on my personal experience. This might make me seem foolish to some, but what you are doing fits in my vision of online freedom is with no issues.
sounds like me. I don’t specifically hate memes but like new ones pop up constantly and some seem to be generated just so an individual can throw things up. dank ass, memeorama, funny home of the fun, just all over the place. I actually just blocked 196 a bit ago because I was loathe since I consider it a bit more historically legit but man I want like less than 1% to be memes.
It’s just too much. Even the ones I find funny, there is just too much, and with so many communities and cross posting they multiply. And things like the Star Trek instance, I’ve seen some episodes and some of the movies, but I’m not into Trek so much I need a steady stream of that every day!
I like when people reference memes in response to something I post and I can look up whatever it is on Know Your Meme and enjoy it. That’s probably not how memes are exactly meant to be enjoyed, but it’s how I can appreciate most of them. Maybe a little too Abe Simpson yells at cloud, but I’m allowed to operate how I want! 😇
I agree here to. I mostly like something that has discourse happening and if someones discourse is a relevant meme then thats fine. Although if everyones discourse was meme it would be like ugh. Its best when used sparringly.
Exactly, I appreciate them as a condiment, not a main dish!
oh thats a perfect analogy. I might even take it higher because I say something like this with bacon and cheese. Both are incredible. Fabulous. I have and can eat them straight, but I mostly like them on things. Bacon cheeseburger, bacon wrapped X, Cheese X.
Mod team wanted to move to another instance due to oddities and frustration with modding on a difference instance to their accounts(with a light amount of disagreement with instance admins, though not really drama worthy), and they elected to do so without any warning or community input. Many people were displeased by this, which was compounded by the decision to lock the old community rather than simply abandon it and let someone else take over.
You then get a mix of opportunists, drama vampires, the standard fare “all change is bad”, and people that were just unhappy that the decision was made suddenly and opaquely, all working to try to make a new community on .blahaj, with varying levels of smugness, bickering, and some level of actual reasonable discourse hidden beneath it all.
We’ll see “which” 196 ends up being the de facto, but my money’s on .world just due to user numbers and the fact that the old 196 was basically the only community anybody outside of .blahaj ever saw from the instance in my experience.
We’ll see “which” 196 ends up being the de facto, but my money’s on .world just due to user numbers
investigates
As of this writing, it looks like the userbase on each is:
Community Subscriber Count !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone 270 !196@lemmy.world 4490 EDIT: !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone has 16,800 subscribers, but if you figure that it’s been around for a while and probably some of those accounts aren’t active or are duplicates from people changing home instance or the like, active users might be a better metric. It’s had 1.46k users active in the last day, 5.38k users in the last week, 9.8k users in the last month, and 19.4k users in the last 6 months.
I wouldn’t wanna call it for a few weeks at the very least, and sub numbers feel like an odd metric to me since I barely sub to anything on lemmy. The blahaj instance seems to have a lot more activity at the moment for instance, but a lot of that was just frantically reposting old content from the other instance so 🤷🏻♂️
The really quick summary is that the mods of the 196 community on blahaj.zone wanted to move the community to lemmy.world, but did not announce it publicly to the users or seek their input, and so when the announcement came out, users of the instance felt blindsided by the announcement, and that lemmy.world was a fairly unpopular choice of instance. The resulting discussion from the thread largely did not dissuade skeptical users and contributed to the feelings that the mods were making a unilateral decision based on their desire and ignoring what the users of 196 wanted, and the decision to keep the original community on lemmy.blahaj.zone locked meant that users who did not want to post on lemmy.world were losing out their community.
This resulted in another 196 clone being created on blahaj, the original 196 becoming unlocked, and so now there are 3 196 communities. The newest one, onehundrednightysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone, has a particularly high posting rate right now, as users are attempting to assert that community’s support as opposed to the ones run by the mods of the original and the lemmy.world communities.
~4 if you count the Brazilian one*~
They gave as much warning as Ada did with her policy to legitimize trolls.
The fur freaks are being catty, just wait for the dust to settle.
Imagine an apartment building. The landlord decides the local city council is too overbearing, and decides to move to a different city. They expect the tenants to move with them.
Problem 1: The local city is known for inclusivity, and the new city is known for being overpopulated and having an overbearing city council. Either the landlord has sinister motives or didn’t do their research.
Problem 2: The tenants weren’t told of the move before the moving van came, and were given no opportunity to weigh in on the decision. The landlord was calling all the shots.
Problem 3: The landlord sealed the building as they moved, making it impossible for someone else to take over as landlord and keep the building running. There was really no reason to do that.
This went about as smoothly as you’d expect. While the landlords did eventually unseal the building, a lot of people completely lost faith in them and moved into a new apartment building in the same city, but with a new landlord ( !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone ).
This post isn’t really broad enough for the intent of the creator(s) of this community (not me) but I’m not one to remove a post that already has active discussion.
That said:
I’ll look through but I’m generally here as more an extra set of eyes for the most egregious content, rather than to be deciphering through individual threads. Locking is an option I may have to use and tbh someone else here may still lock or remove it.
I get this is a contentious topic. I don’t want to stifle discussion. I prefer to mod passively. I volunteered here because no one else was and I’m already clearly active enough.
I didn’t mean to stir up shit, I was genuinely curious and wanted to… Ask Lemmy.
No problem. Though I’ll be locking this post. It really generated lots of reports and drama in the comments section.
The mod team tried to move everything to .world. No one liked that and now there’s !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone !196@lemmy.world and !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone the top two are run by the old mod team, the last one is ran by a new mod team. Blahaj zone and onehundresninetysix are active. (Rip 196.world, gone and certainly forgotten.) The mod team and admin had a drama over heavy handed admin over reach on bans in 196blahaj.
Half the community liked it, it was just the half that was banned for dissent
The mod team and admin had a drama over heavy handed admin over reach on bans in 196blahaj.
That’s one way to say it. Another way to say the same thing is disagreement about ban decisions and length of ban duration.
I too was confused so read the post the mod wrote. Admins were banning users without telling mods. Admin said they were banning because mods weren’t doing their job. Mods talked to admin and they agreed moving to world would be better. Users got angry because no one told them.
Mods made a dictator decree to move the community to world, and blocking the old one. People did not agree and made their own new one. On the original instance. Spam in the new community ensued.
Either way, old one was blocked for me. New one too.
After the old 196 mod made a dictator decree to validate trolls, banning all dissenters.
People did not agree and made their own new one
Ya, i woke up this morning to my entire feed being nothing but their “rules” posts. Didn’t take more than a few minutes before that place got blocked. My block list is sooo long here….
I blocked them long ago and they came back from dead. I blocked them again. They are not funny and they post a lot. They invade my feed like a virus. Can’t have that!
I’ve blocked hundreds of communities. Kinda the opposite approach to subscribing by building a list of personalized content from scratch; I’ve whittled down All to mostly good content.
196 is on the blocklist 3 times now, lol.
I think there is some drama with the mods but I am also lost and waiting for someone to clarify it.
The 196 mods decided to move their community, because Ada kept removing posts that broke the rules when they wouldn’t clear the reports on Blahaj’s end. The users said they don’t like the mods anyway, and they’re gonna make their own 196 with blackjack and hookers. The mods reopened the old community and said I’m sorry baby, come back I’ve changed. The users don’t believe the mods and want them removed.
