??? their guy put a literal neo-nazi in a position of power and they’re calling acknowledging this “propaganda”
lmao
u/MountainMan88 blocked me after calling his thinly veiled bullshit out over on reddit and was crying about it on r/Conservative.
So much for not needing safe spaces and echo chambers.
I support any efforts to point out who the real snowflakes are. “Waahh I can’t be a racist Nazi in public sobs it’s just not fair!!1!”
they’re already here man. I got shitstormed a day ago by one dude and five 1 day old Lemmy accounts.
Just look at how many people are defending or downplaying the elon salute. I’m shocked, after only seeing a few ‘conservative’ types a month for the entire lemmy life I’ve had.
I was the one to downplay the salute.
Then I saw Elon not doing anything about it, and if he doesn’t give a damn so hard then it is bad enough as it is.
Swasti-car manufacturer he is.
Just hit em with one of these, and maybe a report for good measure if they earned it
They should just make their own Lemmy instance and stop bitching.
They are far too stupid and disorganized to create.
A whole lot of their worldview seems centered on their inability to create or improve things.
It’s kind of funny; I remember conservative messaging about personal responsibility. But when they’re on the receiving end of that same messaging it’s just a personal insult, apparently.
Iirc truth social is just a mastadon instance or something.
But then they would get defederated and have to face the fact that everybody hates them, and that wouldn’t be as fun as doing their hate speech with a big daddy corporation to shield them from the consequences.
A hilarious part of this thread was that they convinced themselves that X couldn’t possibly be that unpopular and it had to be a bunch of bots posting and upvoting these threads to ban X.
In support of this they said “This post about banning X is the [n]th most popular post ever on /r/LiverpoolFC, even higher than when they won the champions league! It can’t be real”. They didn’t even consider that the post about banning X made it to the top of /r/all where a lot of people who couldn’t care less about football/futbol/soccer upvoted it. They couldn’t care less about that team, but they also supported banning X, so they upvoted.
Crazy
Has /r/Conservative been flooded with non-racists or something?
Why would they come to lemmy if they’re sick of the left? Lemmy is the most left place on the internet
you know how nazis ruin everything?
Yeah. Germany for example. If it weren’t for the mercy of the victors, and the massive development aid Germany received under the Marshal plan, then Germany would be much poorer today. You just need to compare the territory for the former DDR to the rest of Germany to get an idea.
Exactly, one look at All would probably be enough to make them faint lmao
“So nice to be out of that frying pan!”
“Hey Lemmy, do you guys accept conserv–”
“RICH PEOPLE TASTE BEST WHEN YOU FRY THEM IN ORGANIC OIL”
Why are blue sky links bad?
Because Bluesky blocks hate speech and Nazis. Sure Conservatives say they’re blocking “conservative ideas” but as soon as you ask which ideas specifically they throw a tantrum.
Interesting, I thought blue sky is supposed to be decentralized, is that not the case?
In theory it is supposed to be, at the moment it is not possible. Bluesky uses the AT Protocol, vs Mastodon/Lemmy that use the ActivityPub Protocol. Unlike Mastodon/Lemmy, there are no open source AT Protocol servers, and there are no clients except for the Bluesky app, which only talks to the closed source servers. Additionally I think the AT Protocol doesn’t define enough so things like Authentication require something homebrew and possibly incompatible.
Also, because of all of this, there is at the moment no concept of federation on Bluesky.
Now, that isn’t to say that someday this will change, but currently Bluesky is just as centralized as every other service.
Definitely not.
Because they are all libtards in that posters mind
Let them come, they may learn something.
Good one
Goodbye conservative, you will not be missed
PSA: IF THE TROLLS DO MIGRATE HERE, DO NOT FEED THEM. BLOCK AND REPORT IF THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING A PRODUCTIVE, CIVIL CONVERSATION.
I’m not interested in having a civil conversation with fascists either
Unless they come out the gate swinging, please be careful. I don’t know about you, but I want to get as many people as possible on board with combatting the far right.
Attacking somebody who is legitimately trying to learn will only entrench them deeper in their prior beliefs. It might take a few sentences to find out if they are being genuine, but if you can change their perspective, it is worth it.
I ask you to also be careful!
you don’t need to feed the trolls to help them see the light.
Treat it like an authoritative (but not authoritarian) parent:
You don’t let the kid do whatever inappropriate shit (that is a neglecting parent style), but you do state firmly the rules and give the consequence (authoritative) without making them fear you through spanking or other kinds of abuse (authoritarian).
I agree we should not be authoritarian.
But we should also not be neglectful!
Specific example:
If someone comes saying that trump did a roman salute, the authoritative answer is: “The nazi salute is a roman salute and both are used to promote fascism (link to wikipedia)”.
Simply and blunt, yet “non-judgemental” answer
Now if they reply saying shit like how they are actually different, then just call their bullshit off by saying things like: “I see no reason for someone to defend a roman or nazi salute unless that someone is a nazi. I really hope you aren’t a nazi, but if you are, know that you’re in the wrong. Period.”
Then stop any sort of further replies and start reporting if they keep harping on this (it would be similar to the time out that parents do to younger child).
legitimately trying to learn
Legitimately trying to learn is the vaccine against fascism. I’m not sure there’s a cure.
There is only the one cure that we’ve found so far…
You basically can’t teach conservatives. If they were capable of learning and changing they wouldn’t be conservatives in the first place. Consider that the majority of self avowed conservatives in the US literally believe the world is less than 10,000 years old created as is and jeebus is coming back real soon now. Literally 30% of the US population believes this!
White supremacy and the flat earth are actually gaining ground in this group.
With the coming govt. actions starting to more directly and visibly affect people’s lives, it will probably wake up (lol) at least a few people. Assuming they are all evil will harm us more than help us. At the end of the day, we are all human. We need all the help we can get and if they are offering, it would be rude to dismiss them.
And that’s not even getting to climate change denial.
These people are incapable of critical thought.
People do wake up from cults. It takes a lot of work on themselves to reach that point, however, and the most transformative moments (i.e. any epiphanies about their behavior or beliefs) will likely happen when they’re alone, outside of the public sphere.
That is to say, you’re unlikely to personally witness somebody break out of a cult. Yet, it still happens.
Does that make it worth helping them “see the light”? I can’t say. What I can say is that there are people who’ve been there, and there are resources available to help those in cult recovery. (Make no mistake, this is absolutely a cult.)
The best hope we’ve got right now is that as more things turn to shit, more people will begin to question things. Instead of reflexively downvoting or attacking someone who admits to having once voted for Trump, we’ve got to listen to what they say happened afterward. I want to hear people share their stories of disenchantment. I want those stories to be spread far and wide, to people who might be questioning Trumpism but who’re surrounded by his supporters and scared to make a move. They’re the people who need to know that it’s okay to change their minds. They’re going to need to know that they’ll be accepted by someone if they “deflect,” and we need to be prepared to welcome them to sanity.
We shouldn’t respond with comments like, “iT’s aBouT tiMe” or “Where have you BEEN the last 8 years?” (Both are paraphrased from comments I read elsewhere on here this morning.) I know it’s tempting to give out some sort of I told you so, but it’s not constructive and can push an ex-cult member away. We want people to turn a new leaf, and that means supporting those who admit to having been wrong.
(I know this took a turn from the original comment. I don’t intend this personally for you, OP. But after seeing how people react so aggressively to everything lately, I felt something like this needed to be said to Lemmy.)
We couldn’t defeat the Nazis or the Confederates with dialogue. They are not going to even let us vote them out no matter how badly they do.
Yes, I agree. At no point did I ever propose such a dialogue. I’m talking about supporting those that already chose to leave.
Who else is fully expecting Reddit admins to come out in a few days banning twitter bans, and banning anyone that tries to enforce them?
Oh they would get shit on so hard kinda would be nice to see
I’ve been thinking how to avoid running into other seedy characters like those spouting now other foreign propaganda like of China and Russia. I can’t imagine I will ever get away from them, but how to minimise it. In the old days I used IRC where communities were very small, or forums where we were all into some niche and we stayed away from that. But now you cannot escape this shit. One possibility I thought is just to avoid big servers like world and keep to more local instances.
Conservatism is for people who can’t think for them selves. They Can’t comprehend there are different needs for many different peoples. They need to be told how to live, love, and even act. Education can solve the issue but those kinds of people don’t want education they want everything to be under their control their ideology.
It’s the definitian of the Hobbesean “right”, that human nature is monstrous, beastly and war-like, and that we need to rely on a “better few” to monopolize violence to keep everyone in order. They don’t believe that people are capable of self-governance because they don’t do it themselves. The Rousseau “left” believe that we’re egalitarian by nature, and that we’re innately good in small populations but have naturally strayed from our egalitarian origins because of civilization. Anarchists understand that both of these are incorrect.
