As of revision version #85, OpenStreetMap has the following tags for Golfo de México:
- name:en Gulf of Mexico
- official_name:en-US Gulf of America
name:en: Gulf of Mexicostupid_name:en-US-confederate-bootlicker: Gulf of Amerikkka
That should suffice.
OSM has a tag for everything, wow 😇❤️
Mexicogolfen is pretty good.
If he is just going to make executive order to change shit he doesn’t like and not follow the law. Who says I have to follow them too? Still the Gulf of Mexico to me! 😂
As an american. I want the option to display it as Gulf of Mexico. Like it’s always been before that fat sack of shit was trying to win points wit hracists to distract them from the hand reaching up their ass to fuck them.
So now that is on the hands of the folks who use the OSM data. It’s in a somewhat exotic tag, so by default any map that uses OSM will show Gulf of Mexico, unless they actively intervene to show Gulf of America. So if you see an OSM based map showing the latter, you know they made that choice consciously.
As an American and long time OSM contributor, I also vote extremely no on Gulf of America.
Also no on renaming New Mexico.
Wait there’s talk of renaming New Mexico‽
*after some digging *
Oh thank god it was just a joke
New Mexico? You mean “South America”, right?
(Everything south of the Rio Grande is now “Mexico”. Except for the
PanamaAmerica canal.)Next month:
- Texas -> Roof Tiles
- El Paso -> The Pass
- The Alamo -> The Poplar
- Santa Fe -> Holy Faith
- Nevada -> Snowed
- Colorado -> Red
- Palo Alto -> High Stick
- Nogales -> Walnuts
- Los Angeles -> The Angels
…
Paper companies would make a killing profit this period.
Baton Rouge -> Red Stick
- Nogales -> Walnuts
How about you rename deez (wal)nutz
Sorry, had to
But you couldn’t tell, could you. 😂 I’m keeping this joke alive as long as I can, until Trump gets wind of it and actually does it.
Oh thank god it was just a joke
for now
I’m hoping that my comment doesn’t age like milk
“Petition to rename New Mexico to Freexico, and Mexico to Cartelistan”
As an American I have to second this. Please don’t fall in line to lick trump’s boot
Just like I never called french fries freedom fries, I will never call the gulf of mexico the gulf of america
Why is this even being discussed?
Are they discussing renaming Taiwan to China as well?
Are you taking about Formosa or the Republic of China?
One way a global index can respect local authority would be for the index to acknowledge that within that territory, there is an official name for things.
They can also be pragmatic and acknowledge a common local name, the global consensus name, etc.
In many ways, it’s just a further fragmentation like language.
Taiwan is the island, also known as Formosa, and it is ruled by the Republic of China. Separately, but still part of that state, there’s the autonomous mainland provinces, calling themselves the People’s Republic of China, a rebel faction which somehow steadfastly refuses to declare independence.
Looking at it this way, I’d call the “mainland” part West Taiwan
Nah West Taiwan is the western half of Taiwan. It’s an island, not a state, just as Denmark is not Jutland, or Spain, or Portugal (fight!) Iberia.
The name itself can’t really change in OSM because it’s based on what someone “on the ground” would see, i.e. street signs, etc.
Previous OSM naming conflicts have usually been areas of disputed land where some group de-facto controls the land and therefore the street signs, and therefore the OSM ‘name’ and ‘name:en’ tags.
That’s not going to work very well for a region of mostly international waters with several countries putting up their own signs to it.
Persian Gulf or Gulf of Iran?
Comes down to the language/data of the user I guess
Edit: I’ll be using this with my Gulf War veteran father tho, bet your ass
I just checked, and OSM has it as Persian Gulf, with the alternative name Arabian Gulf.
Can we poll the community for alternate names that would enrage Trump? If it’s gonna change, let’s have fun with it.
Gulf of Veganism and Low Cholesterol
Gulf of Checks and Balances
Gulf of 34 Felony Counts
Gulf of Cheetos (let’s get those sweet advertising dollars while we’re at it)
Gulf of Insecurity
Kamala-Clinton Gulf
How about Gulf of they/them?
Gulf of 34 Felony Counts
We could tell these fuckers that Trump broke 34 rules and to Google “trump rule 34”, but given a) Trump’s history in the sexual department, and b) the fact most of them will actually jack off to this, I don’t think it’s a good idea
Gulf of Musk
🤢🤮
Fun fact, per the executive order, the whole body isn’t being renamed the Gulf of America, only the “U.S. Continental Shelf area bounded on the northeast, north, and northwest by the States of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida and extending to the seaward boundary with Mexico and Cuba”. That is, less than the northern half, as indicated in this map: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:US_ECS_Regions_2023.png
I hope this is due to someone intentionally wording it to sound correct, but in reality being extra screwy so that they look like fools.
That’s like… slightly more reasonable than I thought it was. But it’s still deeply fucking stupid.
Literally no one ever called it “Gulf of America” until January. I appreciate the generally thoughtful conversation on OSM, but there’s no reason that declaration should be taken seriously.
The maintainers were doing a good job reverting contributions for a while. Here’s a good example: https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/gulf-of-america-gulf-of-mexico/124571/16
They follow names assigned by https://unstats.un.org/unsd/ungegn/, and use the labels like
en_USfor official single-country names. While I would much prefer it remain analt_name, I understand their rational. Ugh.Yeah I feel like there needs to be a huge asterisk by name declarations that, while formal/official in the barest sense, are blatantly arbitrary.
How is it the “official name” even for en-US? Trump isn’t the be all and end all of naming things. Every single rational, thinking person in the USA, and many, many people who aren’t so rational (Trump voters), still call it the Gulf of Mexico and always will. Official, my ass.
The early proposal of alt-name: en-US=Gulf of America seemed the most logical.
Holy hell, I hate this cursed timeline.
Because the United States Board on Geographic Names now says so, as demanded by Trump by Order No. 3423. They are the government body that defines what places are officially called.
But unless you are a US federal employee, as Nick Fury once said, “I recognize the council has made a decision, but given that it’s a stupid-ass decision, I’ve elected to ignore it.”
Honestly, I think that we the people need to assert our own right to name things more often. I don’t recall the latest name of the Brewers stadium in Milwaukee, for example. Whatever company that paid to have them put its name on the front didn’t pay me. It’s “the new County Stadium” as far as I’m concerned.
(I have no philosophical objection to the name, by the way. Reps of the new company can DM me, we can work out a deal.)
There’s a county cricket ground near me that was naked the Hampshire Rose Bowl when it was first opened 25 years ago. In that time it has been renamed a number of times in honour of a selection of insurance companies I’d never heard of before, but to pretty much everyone in the area it’s the Rose Bowl.
So yeah.
Ask any illinoisan what the tallest tower in Chicago is and you won’t hear the name that’s on the building. And good for them
An acquaintance helped close a deal for a stadium naming rights. It had been a multi year process, the negotiations were crazy, the company deliberated forever trying to decide if this was the best way to increase brand recognition and man that shits expensive.
So like a shit head that thinks he’s funny I started calling the stadium by its sponsor like 3 sponsors ago when I was around them. You could see the anxiety spike when I did it.
Your comment made me think of that. It’s hilarious. They would have had a fucking breakdown if they had heard someone say that out loud.
Frankly I agree. From my personal experience, every single native Chicagoan has been calling that particular building “Sears Tower”. Even though the name has been officially changed for more than 15 years by this point…
And I thin OSM actually handled this quite well! The original Sears Tower name is still available as an “alt_name” tag on OSM as well, I just double-checked and yep it’s still searchable on the map
As I explained to Google (from Dan McClellan) _references do not assert from fiat what things are called. A dictionary definition is not an official definition but what a word means or what a thing is called at the moment.
Most of the world calls it the Golfo de México or in English speaking regions, the Gulf of Mexico. Changing all the maps of the world won’t change this.
Now granted, a state chooses what to call itself (such as the changing of The Ukraine to simply Ukraine but that is the incorporated entity that is the sovereign nation of Ukraine.
As the US does not have sovereign control of the Gulf of Mexico, it doesn’t get to declare the name of a region of international waters.
This whole thing just makes the GOP, MAGA, the Trump administration and by proxy the people of the United States xenophobic and barbaric as hell. It’s not a good look.
Its just a distraction meant to throw people off the smell of the real crimes they are committing. Call it the gulf of dogshit i dont care
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Russian doesn’t even have definite articles, to them it was always just Ukraine.
Judging from this very polemic article by linguistic anthropologist Kathryn E. Graber, the argument is that a linguistic distinction that exists in Russian (and Ukrainian) is mirrorred in other languages using the definite article. ‘Na Ukraine’ on the one hand literally means ‘on Ukraine’, ‘v Ukraine’ on the other ‘in Ukraine’. Graber goes on to say that ‘In Russian, a person is “na” an unbounded territory, such as a hill, but “v” a bounded territory that is defined politically or institutionally, such as a nation-state.’ She would then probably also argue that the same, in English, goes for names like ‘the Congo’, being named after a river. The claim that this is a Soviet-era practice (if what she means by that is that it arose during the Soviet Union), is simply not true, though. In Google Books you can find plenty of titles with ‘the Ukraine’ from before 1900. The earliest mention I found in English (though I didn’t look very well) was from 1672.
It anyway strikes me as very performative. You can well argue that language influences the way we view the world (though, I think the way we view the world influences the language we use much more). Even so, there are obviously much bigger (concrete) threats to Ukrainian sovereignty than (to Ukrainians) foreigners using a definite article or not. Thus, it becomes less a matter of protecting sovereignty, and more a matter of simple respect to Ukrainian sensibilities. Ukrainians may take offence at you using the definite article, and you may want to prevent that by not saying ‘the Ukraine’.
As an American, I will refuse to call it fuckass gulf of america.
IDK, the fuckass kind of gives it a ring, you know? Maybe fuckass Gulf of Mexico?
… what’s a fuckass?
It’s just slang. I searched it on Startpage and it gives the definition : “used alone or as a noun or verb in various phrases to express annoyance, contempt, or impatience” which sounds right to me. I’d link it but I can’t find where it sourced the definition.
I got your Donnie Darko reference.
Coming from lemmynsfw I would have figured you might know? Let me know if you learn anything in your research
It’s a Donnie Darko reference. I’m surprised anyone cares who comes from what instance.
Nah, I don’t care who comes from what instance but when it comes to anal references, I figured I’d make a bad joke, haha
I’m voting for Dukakis
Reference comments should stay on reddit.
Only if they detract from a discussion of substance.
Search for ‘anal’ in your Lemmy instance
Mmm mmm…
I dunno. That could be kinda snappy on a map. “Ok, let’s see, here we have the North Atlantic, the Sargasso Sea, and the Fuckass Gulf of America.”
Let’s rename Montezuma’s Revenge to Trump’s Revenge while we are at it.
To reiterate, GNIS and GNS are only relevant to an appropriately qualified official_name tag, not a name tag, because of the on the ground rule. For this kind of feature, common sense would place a lot of weight on overall common usage, since sending someone to survey the facts “on the ground” would be… difficult.
Yeah that certainly seems difficult
