It’s brief, around 25:15

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nf7XHR3EVHo

If you’ve been sitting on making a post about your favorite instance, this could be a good opportunity to do so.

Going by our registration applications, a lot of people are learning about the fediverse for the first time and they’re excited about the idea. I’ve really enjoyed reading through them :)

  • VictorEnglish
    0•10 months ago

    Really hoping legislators in Sweden don’t force Signal to pull its services from the country. 🫣

      • VictorEnglish
        0•10 months ago

        They want to make crime fighting more accessible to the police… 💀

    • @badmin@lemm.eeEnglish
      0•10 months ago

      Signal has been questionable for years. The way it’s been pushed hardly, and how Moxie is emeritus, while much more questionable people are in control, doesn’t fill one with confidence, and does ring some alarm bells. The relative proximity to some in the US establishment should be enough to do that. And the way some have been designating anyone who questions Signal as “Russian Propaganda” and immediately deflecting about how Telegram is bad, is even more curious.

      Frankly, I would trust something like Wire more than Signal. And there are other options too.

      Ideally, something with good security/privacy and is fully P2P would become popular. But those apps/networks never make it mainstream, which is unfortunate.

      • VictorEnglish
        0•10 months ago

        There is a lot in here that I don’t understand.

        1. What’s wrong with Moxie? You mean it’s weird he’s an emeritus and not part of the board?
        2. What’s “much more questionable” about the other people? From the descriptions on that page they all seem like standup people.
        3. Could you explain the “relative proximity to some in the US establishment” bit? That was too vague for me to grasp.
        4. “some have been designating anyone who questions Signal as ‘Russian Propaganda’ and immediately deflecting about how Telegram is bad, is even more curious.” — Who has done this, you mean? And why exactly is it “curious”?

        Honestly, there was nothing at all in there that I understood, due to how vague it all was. I would appreciate it if you or someone could fill me in here, because it’s important to know who’s driving this thing, and if the platform can be trusted. I just want to not go by some vague rumors before I make up my mind.

    • @dan1101@lemm.eeEnglish
      0•10 months ago

      I signed up today. I never liked Twitter but I will give it a try. Steam (PC gaming platform) is a member so that’s a plus for me.

    • unknown1234_5
      0•10 months ago

      mastodon is already the next twitter, bluesky is just a direct copy of it with nothing keeping it from going the same way. mastodon is open source (can’t be corpoed), federated (can talk to other platforms/instances so being on a small one doesn’t hurt anything), and most importantly, uses a protocol that doesn’t make self-hosting impossible due to storage requirements.

    • @rayyy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0•10 months ago

      Exactly! All a person has to do is to look around - the right buys up all popular media platforms and converts them to propaganda outlets.

    • @commander@lemmings.worldEnglish
      0•10 months ago

      Why bluesky instead of mastodon? It’s like saying lemmy.world is going to replace reddit instead of the Lemmy platform.

      Are you just commenting how the people who use something like twitter are eager to be herded like sheep into the next walled garden?

      Are you part of the bluesky viral marketing campaign to make it artificially seem like it’s “already won”?

      • DojanEnglish
        0•10 months ago

        I’m wondering this too People are hyped about bluesky but it is the same corpo bullshit that Twitter is. I mean it is literally by the same dude. Why fold?,

        • @JacksonLamb@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0•10 months ago

          Bizarre that you and that other guy thought “will become the next Twitter” was some sort of praise. It’s not.

          • DojanEnglish
            0•10 months ago

            I think it’s more bizarre that you think “same corpo bullshit that Twitter is” is some kind of praise.

            • @JacksonLamb@lemmy.worldEnglish
              0•10 months ago

              If you don’t agree with the person above you, maybe don’t start your comment with

              I’m wondering this too.

              Accusing people of being shills for commenting that bluesky is going to become (shitty) like twitter is out of pocket.

        • @redacted2@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0•10 months ago

          Didnt Dorsey already walk from it and gave the reason that it is headed the same way twitter is. Bluesky is being pushed by capitalists because it is a for profit company just like twitter and facebook.

      • @Uri@infosec.pubEnglish
        0•10 months ago

        When I said bluesky will be the next Twitter did I said Twitter is a good place. Twitter is now bullshit.

      • @supersquirrel@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        0•10 months ago

        Why bluesky instead of mastodon?

        Because there is only so much oxygen in the room, and corporate ventures like Bluesky seem to come into really exciting DIY community spaces that are creating amazing things and pull the oxygen out of the room while never quite delivering on what they are promising… or seeming to promise… and in the mean time the projects that originally created the innovative energy in the space are lost in the noise.

        I mean… see basically the entire early history of the commercialization of personal computers for endless repetitions of this pattern.

        Remember we are not the customers of corporate social media companies, we are the raw husks they extract value from through surveillance capitalism and ads/paid content.

  • @AidsKitty@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0•10 months ago

    Cool, everybody can build these companies up so that they can launch their IPOs and be controlled by a new board of directors fresh from wall street. It will all be so different.

  • shoulderoforion
    0•10 months ago

    I’ve been off Twitter for over almost two years now, on to Federated Mastodon and Mbin, and while I’ve often spoke against BlueSky, having been founded by Jack, after Jack let Twitter become infested with Nazis for engagement, then sold it to Elon Musk who he knew was going to kill it, when the world started to come to an end two weeks ago, I needed to be plugged in, so signed up for a BlueSky account. There’s simply not enough communication happening on Mastodon, not enough people, not discussing the things I’m interested in.

    The Fediverse is also a sewer of both overt and covert Antisemitism, where any pro Jewish or pro Israel content is mysteriously “moderated” by antisemites under the guise of political progressivism, which makes it so much less attractive.

    So I swallowed my hatred of Jack, and have been “skeeting” on BlueSky just as I did Twitter for all those years, blocking out the Jew hate there (it is legion), and realizing in the end, that’s more important to me, connection to live events and discussion as they’re happening to get the best collective overview of any given event

    • Baron Von JEnglish
      0•10 months ago

      Jack isn’t involved with BlueSky anymore. He left the board when they told him to fuck off with his push to get rid of moderation.

      I’ve got nothing to add to the other replies on your mischaracterization of antio-Zionist as anti-Semitism.

    • palordrolap
      0•10 months ago

      The Fediverse is also a sewer of both overt and covert Antisemitism

      Is this a problem unique to the Fediverse, or is this a case that it’s more rampant here? Or does it only seem like it?

      My feeds are fairly well curated, or perhaps you might say “blinkered”, so I don’t see a lot of it. Or maybe I don’t see what’s right in front of me, which is why I ask, since you definitely see it better than I can.

      (This is not an attempt at a bad faith argument; I’m firmly anti-anti-Semitism, and I’m not saying it’s not there. Frankly, I’d be surprised if there wasn’t any. Anywhere there’s people, their prejudices generally follow.)

      • shoulderoforion
        0•10 months ago

        “Lemmy” seems to have be started, and disseminated, by the Hard European Tankie Left, who Administer and Moderate most of it’s instances, and what seems to inform the ongoing moderation of any Pro Israel or Pro Jewish voice that has the temerity to defend itself. Lemmy Kilmister owned the largest personal collection of Nazi memorabilia in the world for years up until his death, and just like every other monster you’ve ever heard of who made that particular obsession the centerpiece of their interest, it probably should have factored in when naming a social media 'verse after. I fully expect all my comments on this to be mysteriously “moderated” as well.

        • @OmarDontScare@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0•10 months ago

          If BlueSky is full of Jew hate, “it’s legion”, but you’re still using it over Mastodon and Mbin, doesn’t that contradict the idea that antisemitism makes a platform unattractive? If it were your main issue, wouldn’t both be equally bad? Seems like the deciding factor is engagement for you personally, not what moderation happens or doesn’t happen.

          If antisemitism were the real deal-breaker, you wouldn’t be on BlueSky either.

        • Beacon
          0•10 months ago

          Stop conflating “Jewish” with “Israel”.

        • OpenStarsEnglish
          0•10 months ago

          It’s been 3 hours and your comment is still here…

          “Moderate” no, “Influence” yes. I see what you seemed to be trying to say: the Lemmy codebase is fairly authoritian e.g. lacks any way to contact a mod to find out why something was removed, even going so far as to obscure the name of the account that did it, simply saying “mod”.

          So them being the ones who provide the codebase definitely “influences” us here, but on the other hand they provide the code for free, and anyone at all could make a fork off from it, and administer their own instance however they see fit. Or, as K/Mbin, PieFed, and Sublinks have all done, make their own Reddit replacement Threadiverse software entirely from scratch.

          See e.g. !fediverselore@lemmy.ca (here’s a start to a post) that proves that people on the Fediverse are allowed to criticize the main Lemmy developers, while still using Lemmy software.

          On a personal note I will add: we can respect certain aspects of those people, even as we criticize other aspects, just as we do the same internally inside of our very selves.

        • Baron Von JEnglish
          0•10 months ago

          Hard European Tankie Left, who Administer and Moderate most of it’s instances

          Weapons grade balognium. There’s ml and Lemmygrad, sure, but that’s not “most” instances by a long shot.

      • @jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        0•10 months ago

        Yup. I’m always wary of people lumping anti zionism, anti Israel government, and anti semitism all in the same bag.

    • @NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0•10 months ago

      Having seen many of your comments across lemmy, I feel like you equate a lot of criticism of the state of Israel’s policies and actions with antisemitism. I acknowledge people who hate Jews exist and are definitely on the internet, but I find knee jerk accusations of antisemitism to be intellectually lazy.

      • subignition
        0•10 months ago

        seriously - too many people see criticism of Israel’s government and read it as condemnation of all Jews. As if it’s the case that that government represents all Jewish people worldwide (or even all Jewish people in Israel…!)

        It’s like people are thinking that wanting Israel to stop its genocide also means there should be another genocide targeting Jews?? Nuance beyond that sort of black-and-white polarized viewpoint seems to be increasingly dead.

        • @IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          0•10 months ago

          The lack of nuance when discussing that conflict is one of the biggest issues I have. So many people seem to see it as “The Israeli genocide is bad, therefore Hamas is good”. In reality, you have shitty people with power fighting shitty people without power, and civilians getting shafted by both.

    • Fitik
      0•10 months ago

      I’m Jewish myself and I completely agree with you… Sadly it exists on a pretty much every social media, but BlueSky has a unique feature called sharable block lists/mute lists, I believe they call it “stacked moderation”, I’ve subscribed to a few of those and it has blocked 90% of antisemites/terrorism sympathisers, I kinda wish some Fedi platform would have a similar feature as well

  • @GaMEChld@lemmy.worldEnglish
    0•10 months ago

    Can anyone explain Bluesky vs Mastodon as Twitter alternatives, asking as someone who never really used Twitter much anyway?

    • OtterOPEnglish
      0•10 months ago

      On the surface, both of them look very similar in format. They also both advertise themselves as decentralized and different from traditional social media, arguing that they won’t face the same problems old social media did.

      Mastodon uses ActivityPub, which is the widely used standard that most other fediverse platforms use. Mastodon is properly decentralized, where all the servers can interact and operate independently.

      BlueSky made their own protocol that they control, citing that ActivityPub wasn’t enough for what they wanted to do, and in some ways that’s true. However with their structure, a central relay is needed in order for different instances to interact and so people argue that it isn’t truly decentralized. Right now BlueSky is either the only instance, or basically the only instance.

      BlueSky is also a VC backed company while Mastodon is now under a nonprofit. BlueSky has its roots in crypto tech. There is more technical discussion on if it’s even possible to have a decentralized BlueSky and if it’s all just talk while they gather users.

      My personal opinion is that I really hope bluesky does what they’re promising, but I’m not expecting them to be any different than Twitter once they get a critical mass of users and the investors demand profits / infinite growth.

      • @PieMePlenty@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0•10 months ago

        Bluesky is what happens when someone with a corporate mindset wants to make something new and good. Mastodon happens when hobbyists get together and make something. Ive heard BlueSky has a board of people in charge to make sure it doesn’t end up like twitter. Exactly what one would expect a company to do. Make sure something doesnt go wrong? Put a few people in charge. Mastodon just has the whole community. I may be wrong here as I dont use either. Right now Im just wondering what will happen when BlueSkys provider comes knocking with the hosting bill. As mass social media migrations are rare, its just a shame people are leaving twitter for another big tech site instead of something more community grown.

      • @commander@lemmings.worldEnglish
        0•10 months ago

        BlueSky made their own protocol that they control, citing that ActivityPub wasn’t enough for what they wanted to do

        Sounds like bullshit for useful idiots that don’t know what they’re talking about.

      • A Wild Mimic appears!English
        0•10 months ago

        from what i understand, a decentralized bluesky is nothing for an enduser at all.

        TL;DR: the cost for an enduser to run a bluesky instance will soon be prohibitive because of the amount of storage needed owed to its shared heap architecture. but what it does is to provide a “credible exit” - if users lose trust or the company shutters, there’s nothing in the way of another organisation picking up the mantle and continue from there on.

      • @lepinkainen@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0•10 months ago

        For me the advantage of Bluesky is that I can own my identity. I can reserve myusername@mydomain.tld and use that, without having to run my own instance.

        With Mastodon I’d have to put up a full-ass server instance and worry about federation etc just to have my “own” identity instead of myusername@mastodon.social or something

    • @commander@lemmings.worldEnglish
      0•10 months ago

      There’s a viral marketing campaign going on right now to herd the twitter sheep to the next rich-person’s platform. That’s why we keep seeing useful idiots say “bluesky” instead of “Mastodon.”

  • melroy
    0•10 months ago

    Would be nice if he promoted more fediverse platforms like Mbin :) Missed opportunity.