Glad I’ve got an Brother laser that has no network connectivity.
Strictly-speaking, in this case, it’s not the ability to be network-connected that’s at issue, but rather the ability to push updates to firmware.
I don’t know what type of computer you have it connected to, but Linux has a system that will automatically update firmware on USB-attached devices if the attached Linux computer is Internet-connected.
$ sudo fwupdtool get-devicesWill show you a list of managed devices.
I’m sure that Windows and MacOS have comparable schemes.
On Linux, I’m sure that you can blacklist a device for updates.
I’d guess that it’s possible to get one of those dedicated USB print servers. Those probably don’t support updating firmware on an attached printer. I might have some questions as to how much I’d trust a no-name one of those on my network itself, but…
Shit. I didn’t even think of that. I’m using fedora. Tomorrow I’ll be blocking firmware updates for the printer. Thank you for pointing that out.
I’m glad there’s a printer service close to where I live, I can go there and print every page for cents. There’s also one on my faculty, more expensive, but still affordable. I only use my HP printer/scanner to scan documents, ink is expensive as hell.
Man I’ve had a brother printer so long because of their Linux support this is so annoying
Same. I’m good for a while, but it’s going to suck if I ever need to replace it.
good news is modern Linux has great support for printers
Framework printer.
Make it happen.
dude I would pay gold for that
Not saying they couldn’t/shouldn’t but printers are a nightmare hellscape and it’s a miracle, mostly of HP’s marketing department, that they’re a household object.
Back before everyone had maps on their phone, printing MapQuest maps was fantastic. This was the early 00’s though and we all had money to burn still.
sorry maybe I missed a memo, people are still printing things… like, on paper?
…I remember Brother intnetionally making their stuff VERY user servicable.
Wha happen
Line go up
Shit come down
LINE GO UP
The last bid I reviewed for a new office recommended Brother printers (woot) but the color laser had toner lock-in. I recommended an alternative and the owner agreed.
Too bad these companies won’t know about the products they don’t sell because of this crap.
“Bröther, please dö nöt becöme anti-cönsümer!”
“I töö yearn för the cöntrölled mönöpöly, thë ensittificätiön, the röt ecönömy!”
“Brother…”
“I’m leäving töö müch möney on thë täblë! We also hävë öür men Ëlön Müsk as thë shädöw prësidënt, Trümp ïs jüst hïs, ör räthër - öür püppët. Hë wïll dïsmänlë äll cönsümër prötëctïons, as thëy’re in thë wäy öf öür pröfits.”
“Bröthër… Plëäsë rëcönsïdër!”
“Änd whät ärë yöü gönnä dö if not? Go tö thë cönsümer prötection agencies Ëlön Müsk’s DÖGË jüst dïsmäntlëd? Üse an öld HP LaserJet until yöü cän get repläcemënt rollers för it? You know öther parts öf it cän brëäk töö.”
“Bröther… You became… ËVÏL! You betrayed EVERYTHING you previously stood for!”
“And Ï wïll dö it as mäny tïmes as nëëded. Ëvil? It’s jüst büsïnëss. Mäybë yöü shöüld hävë rëcönsïdërëd yöür vötë för Trümp.”
“Bröther… Büt thë tränsës hävë cäncëlled Pikamëë för thë wïzärd gämë! The wökenëss häve been deströying the gäme ïndüstry! I nëëded tö vötë för Dönäld Trümp! Why isn’t it wörkïng äs ït wäs süppösëd tö!”
“Yöü vötëd ägäïnst yöür cläss interest öut öf püre hatred. I like ït vërÿ müch! Yöü knöw önë rëäsön she wäs älsö cäncelled wäs düë tö lölï? Ï dön’t think Pröjëct 2025 wïll ällöw it för sö löng düë tö tötäl pörn ban!”
“PLEÄSE BRÖTHËR, NÖT THE LÖLÏ! PLEÄSE LET ME KEEP THË CÜTË ÄND FÜNNŸ!”
“Yöü vöted against yöür class interest, yöür personal interest… hahahahahaHAAHAHAHAHAAAA! Yöür sö fünny! Ÿöü’rë thë përfëct vötër för më! Ÿöü’rë thë përfëct cönsümër ëvën! Töö dümb tö rëälïzë äll thë pöliticäl wörkings aröünd yöürself. Änd when anything göes wröng, yöü bläme the minörities öf this söciety. Nöw get exited för Bröther AI, a sübscriptiön service which is essentiäl för öperating the printer! Get ready för price hikes! Get ready för shörter lasting printers!”
“You’re truly despicable bröther!”
Wake up babe, new copy pasta just dropped.
You are crazy, but good crazy.
Are there no good guys left?
Just buy an ink tank printer, it fixes 90 percent of your printer grief
Ironic username, but no, there are none righteous
Well, whatever that update was, I probably installed it (assuming it’s the same here in Japan).
Use pen & paper – Do you really need a printer?
I had to laugh at this. At least in my use case, it’s printing out forms and documents that various levels of government needs and I am absolutely not talented enough to reproduce them by hand (also, my handwriting is not fantastic).
I also need one. Our library will print documents for 5¢ per page. Once my Brother HL-2040 craps out, I guess I’ll be going there.
Ehhh. I rarely print anything, but I really don’t want to give up the ability to print things at any time I want and have them promptly available.
I actually bought a little tablet PC so that I could carry a working copy of FreeCAD into my workshop rather than print out plans and such. My little Epson printer does very little.
Yeah, that can cover some cases (also, throwing data on a smartphone, which most people have and keep with them most of the time) but I think that for most people, electronic devices still aren’t a complete replacement for paper.
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Power. Paper just needs some kind of light in the environment.
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Shareability. Okay, there are schemes to let one transfer data from phone to phone, but it’s hard to compete with how intuitive and universal handing some paper to someone is.
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Battery. Just keeping the display on a phone or laptop, even if you aren’t far away from power, on to keep the page visible tends to consume power, and many devices can’t keep something visible all day. I’ll concede that eInk displays can cover some of that.
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Disposability. Paper is pretty cheap, and if a piece of paper gets soaked in water or whatever, it’s no big loss.
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Use of paper in the physical world. I can do things like create stencils on a sheet of paper and cut them out. It’s a device that lets a digital computer interact with the outside world beyond purely showing information.
We’re a lot closer to the paperless world than we were when I first started hearing the phrase “paperless office”, and a lot of documents never leave electronic form, but I still do occasionally want to use paper.
I would say “power” and “battery” are the same thing.
Yeah sharing digital documents between devices is still a complete urethra sanding, isn’t it? If it can’t go by email you probably shouldn’t even try. Having an x86 tablet running desktop GNU/Linux and Syncthing…Syncthing works very well, Linux works well, Linux UIs on touch screen are more unpleasant than dental surgery, and FreeCAD is less touch screen friendly than the average CLI utility. I can just barely use FreeCAD to look at the spreadsheet on that thing, especially when it’s got its keyboard snapped off.
It would be maybe more ideal to have an e-ink device that goes with me to the shop, something that will run for a month on a cell phone battery, that can display things like technical drawings made from CAD, a spreadsheet exported from CAD, along with things like tool manuals and similar reference materials, and with some utility apps like a calculator and maybe a little notepad…
Everything I want we have the technology to do right now, but no one does it the way I’d want it done because interoperability be damned.
As for making stencils and templates, it’s something I really miss now that I don’t have ready access to a laser engraver.
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I had to laugh at this. At least in my use case, it’s printing out forms and documents that various levels of government needs and I am absolutely not talented enough to reproduce them by hand (also, my handwriting is not fantastic).
If we want to get pedantic, it is possible to get a pen plotter. There are fountain pen compatible pen plotters, and the whole fountain pen world has a healthy and mature third-party ink market.
Now, that’s not simply a drop-in replacement for a regular printer, starting with the fact that you need to use monoline fonts so that the plotter traces out what a hand would rather than filling it in, and that a plotter just can’t produce all the same stuff. The speed is going to be abysmal compared to a conventional printer for virtually any image. And I don’t think know if there’s anyone who has built one with a paper feed system (there are large-format pen plotters that can work with a continuous-feed roll of paper, but I don’t know if those can handle fountain pens. I don’t know of a fountain pen plotter that can just take a ream of A4 or US Letter pages and then handle those correctly).
But you can, strictly-speaking, have a computer create output that uses ink from the fountain pen world.
Oh, this one stings.
O, damnit. Not the last bastion of hope!
Edit: 100% serious. Like Rossmann, Brother was the go-to brand.
Are there actually any good printers? I would pay more for the printer itself if you just don’t try and scam me afterwards. It feels like a hopeless space.
You might have to consider buying used.
Even older HP printers are fine (and I know people love to shit on them, but they too used to be perfectly safe and reasonable choices). More or less the safe/unsafe divide coincides with the switch from printers with 2x16 character displays to ones with full colour screens.
I’ve got a 2012-designed (but mine is 2017-built) HP Colour Laserjet CP5225dn, it has none of the modern lock-in shenanigans.
Just gotta find one that’s new enough that consumables are still readily available (fortunately this usually isn’t too difficult), and in good physical condition.
Have to keep things offline and outdated nowadays 🫤 to prevent things like this happening.
Honestly, that’s not a terrible idea in general. Like, if you have an Internet-connected device, you have a hook onto your network that someone can exploit down the line, including – as Rossman points out – making it function differently than it did at the time of your purchase in ways that you may not like. And even if you trust the manufacturer, that doesn’t mean that someone cannot acquire them and then exploit that hook.
Kind of a problem with apps and other software too. Even open-source software, like the
xzattack – the xz package itself was fine, but you had someone, probably a country, intentionally target and try to seize control of an open-source project to exploit the trust that the open-source project had built up. I understand that it’s also been a concern with even browser extensions.The right to push updates to an Internet-connected device, unfortunately, has value. And there are people who will try to figure out ways to take advantage of that.
Funny you mention apps. I turned auto-update off for all of them on my phone because I got tired of functionality being removed. A couple force updates after you get too far behind. Been alright so far, but it’s been less than half a year ago we’ll see how it goes in the long run. Security is obviously taking a hit by doing this.
I haven’t printed anything in years, but damn, this sucks.
