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Nobody at Tesla headquarters voted to alienate their customer base. No board meeting decided to turn their electric car company into a political lightning rod.
This is technically not true. The board keeps Elon Musk on as CEO of Tesla, and they granted him the biggest bonus package ever, while he was already very controversial and clearly was losing his mind, because they thought he would be able to make them money.
You are 100% correct. They knowingly doubled down on him. They can all ride his coattails straight to hell.
You’re right, that’s not just technically untrue. The board voted with their wallet, by giving him even more money than ever, so he could continue doing what he is doing. The people on the board wouldn’t give a shit if only Nazis buy their cars, as long as there’s enough of them to keep buying.
Well joke’s on them though, because it seems Musk has found a way to tap US citizens directly, so he probably doesn’t even care much about Tesla anymore now that it is failing.
I think his worth is mostly attached to Tesla stocks still.
It is and if he loses that wealth I’m pretty sure he is getting kicked to the street. He has no other skills that aren’t readily available by folks who aren’t utterly unstable drug addled dipshits.
Remember 2015? A Tesla parked in your driveway told your neighbours that you valued innovation, that you possessed an environmental conscience, that you had a stake in the future of the planet. The cars weren’t perfect, but they meant something. They represented hope - for clean energy, EVs, and a world beyond fossil fuels.
This was me years go. I knew climate change was real and an imminent threat. I wanted to vote with my wallet for a cleaner future. I also wanted to strike a blow against the National Automotive Dealers Association for their regressive practices that hurt consumers and drive prices for cars higher for everyone. Buying a Tesla did those things. I charge the car on sunlight from my house. I don’t have to support the petroleum industry’s damage to environment and people around the world. I was proud to be doing something rather than just talking about needs for changes against climate change.
Musk doesn’t get any of my money from this car. I don’t pay for any of the Tesla monthly services. I’m don’t want to be seen driving with a Tesla logo on the car. I’m ashamed that my good intentions funded a fascist.
Don’t feel ashamed. You did nothing wrong. Life failed you, not the other way around.
Many bought Tesla’s years before elon went full crazy-person, yet people are still vandalising their cars, calling them Nazi-slurs and saying they should be ashamed.
This is me too. I have two of them bought and paid for and people just don’t get it: I went all in on this and you can just sell for 15% of purchase price, I still have mobility needs. More to the point my swasticar still has access to the best charging network on the market and even if I COULD just sell, it’s not cut and dry. It’s easy to shit on Tesla, but it’s still the best offering in the EV market for long range driving. And even if it was not, like fuck me I can’t time travel. Most people who flame have no idea what the actual hell they are talking about.
It’s crystal clear to me that Tesla played an important role at a key time, and pivoted the industry. The technology to do so had been there for a while but they lacked the will and they needed an innovator to scare them into action. Tesla did that. However, that role is now complete. I am flabbergasted that anyone still values this stock. Even setting aside this recent downturn in sales due to their brand going necrotic, they were already overmatched by the flood of competition coming their way. If major manufacturers don’t eat Tesla’s lunch, Chinese upstarts will. They can’t survive. They won’t survive. Even their supposed software advantage on self-driving has turned out to be a fraud, and the Simpertruck is a high profile failure. I’m glad that the stock hasn’t died yet though, because the rest of the world is still completing the transition to EVs, and the death of Tesla might put a chill on that. But in a few years, yeah, Tesla will blow away on the wind like so much dust.
Maybe it’s time to get better at researching companies before major decisions. Do you have a system in place for doing background research on future large purchases?
That shame is no use unless it helps you update your behavior. Shame about a “one-off” decision in the past will continue to nag you until you figure out how to avoid the same mistake in the future.
So how can you avoid realizing ten years out that some big purchase you made supported someone you disagree with? How can you do it in advance?
When you can predict the behavior of a company 10 years out, you pet me know. I’ll make you my banker.
Until then, that whole comment is hot garbage.
There is no shame in your ownership of the vehicle based on your intentions; I would humbly assert that anger is a more appropriate reaction to the current leadership of the company that made it. If strangers judge you, that’s on them.
If I had had the means to purchase one 10+ years ago, I would have. Most people who claim they wouldn’t are not being honest with themselves or disapproved of the virtue signaling associated with them at the time.
Oh yea, when Teslas first started appearing, I loved their whole philosophy and really wanted one.
I came really close back then, had a deposit but canceled due to realizing I had a perfectly good old car and didn’t “need” one at the time. Hindsight says I lucked out.
If I did get it, and still had it (I would, I keep cars for 10+ years), I would probably rebadge it as an indicator of my dislike for what the brand has become.
I’d actually love to see a rebadging campaign by dissatisfied owners.
I have BYD badges that should be here any day.
nobody wants a defective car.
Their cars are pretty good. That is not the problem.
I’ve heard mixed stuff, like some people saying it’s plastic and stuff and only serviceable via Tesla if things go wrong?
Others I know have driven it for years and have been happy except the whole Musk shit which leads to your point. (excluding Cybertruck, I don’t know anyone that drives a Cybertruck).
My brother has a model 3. It’s a nifty car. The advanced cruise control (not their FSD) is better than the Blue-Cruisr in my Ford, and works on more roads. Build quality seems about the same TBH, although my brother may just have a good example. The Tesla charging network is expansive, and would be a major point to the Model 3, but other cars can charge there now, even older models can do it with an adapter.
Ergonomics-wise, I think the Ford is much better. Better controls on the steering wheel, has a “gauge cluster” instead of putting important info on the center display away from the driver’s line of sight, and it’s easier to open the doors, both from the outside, inside, and in the case of emergencies.
The Ford doesn’t randomly slam the brakes on the highway, so I’d call that a plus. Look up “phantom braking”.
I’ve heard mixed stuff, like some people saying it’s plastic and stuff
This is mostly true. I cannot say if it’s more or less plastic than competition. Doesn’t seem that different to my non-car-experienced eyes.
and only serviceable via Tesla if things go wrong?
I don’t think this is true.
I don’t think this is true.
Yeah, it’s why I added a question mark.
I’ve had one friend say because it’s electronic that only Tesla can fix certain things? Maybe I misunderstood maybe they meant that because it’s under warranty where the dealership should be fixing it.
Tesla doesn’t do a lot of the body work or glass type of things, but if you need a new computer, heat pump or anything like that, it’s going to be with Tesla, and especially anything around the battery/power train. Most 3rd party battery replacements fail early due to all the modules not being levelled properly or some fancy battery term for it.
They could (and should) open up a lot of that to 3rd parties, but they keep it in house.
It’s not locked in such a way that only Tesla can do it, but it can be hard to find places that will service them. Especially smaller shops just don’t want to go through the hassle of figuring it out, and figuring out how to order parts and such, at least where I live.
Basically, it is going to depend on the shops near you and while Tesla doesn’t seem to actively prevent it I think they make it enough of a hassle for other shops that it may be true in some places that you can only rely on them for repairs.
After having seen other manufacturer’s cars at similar prices points, I must say, I disagree.
I’m sure there’s a bit of subjectivity and having gotten used to it. But the ones I’ve tried as replacement for my Model Y so far haven’t impressed me.
How do you feel about owning a Nazi car? Any feelings around that? Curious about your feelings or anyone else owning a Tesla right now.
Yeah that’s the number one reason I’m looking at other cars right now. So you could say I have some feelings about that.
THEYRE NOT GOOD
put 6k miles on my EV9 so far and loving it, much roomier than model Y
It’s time to paste anti nazi / antifa sticker on it, but it should be driven until it’s death in respect to all the resources that was needed to build it. I mean, it is still a working car after all.
Sure, fair point. 👍
I’d feel like such a target, to be honest. At least if I was living in politically-volatile America right now.
My buddy messed up and spilled a drink in his model X. When pulling up the carpet and panels to clean up he found a bunch of blue painter’s tape where there were supposed to be wiring harnesses and screws. You’ll note that blue painters tape is designed to be temporary, and will not last more than a year or two.
Tesla Model 3 Ranked Last In German TUV Reliability Report https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-in-german-tuv-reliability-report/
2-3 years Tesla Model 3 14.7% defect rate
For the Americans that don’t know the word Nazism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism?wprov=sfla1
Although he has right-wing ideologies, there is no evidence of Elon Musk being a Nazi. A car can’t be a Nazi either…
I’m tired of all of the populism and strong headlines on Lemmy. Actual factual journalism gets burried deep in the feed.
I guess you could say the same about Hitler, since he didn’t personally kill any jews. If killing jews isn’t a requirement then there is definetly evidence that musk is a neo-nazi
Seriously?
This is exactly what this polarizing title intended to do. Attract people like you who relativise the atrocities Hitler has done. Populism is a bitch and you’re falling right for it.
Just give me an informative article with normal title and stop filling Lemmy with all of this clickbaity populistic shit that helps nobody. I’m tired of it and tired of discussing it too.
Relatively speaking, Hitler was one of the worst people to ever live! And the richest man alive today idolizes him.
Imagine if Mansa Musa and Hitler teamed up! The world needs to not experience that!
nazis didn’t exist, they were all confused autists making awkward gestures
I disagree. He’s done enough that calling him a Nazi feels accurate to me. Or at least enough of a Nazi sympathizer that I totally support not doing business with him.
What I get frustrated by is justifying hurting the people that have his cars. Having a Tesla does not make one a Nazi sympathizer. You could maybe make the case that buying one today might, but even then I don’t think it’s justified attacking people for having a car.
If you want to be an extremist about it, hurt the dealerships and the company. Don’t go after people who are almost certainly not that different from you. The people keying cars just want to feel smugly superior to someone and feel morally justified for being an asshole, they don’t want to make anything better for anyone. If that’s how you act, you’re just a fascist with a slightly different ideology.
I don’t think I could do a better Nazi salute on purpose.
there’s 0% chance he didn’t practice in front of the mirror like a fucking dork
Man, you can really see Adolf saying “Sieg Heil!” Scary stuff.
Not to mention the guy on the left.
No evidence, except for that the entire first paragraph of that page describes his exact behavior. No need to be a bootlicker
Let’s look through your own Wikipedia link.
Nazism […] [has] disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system.
The union hating, multi-million dollar lobbying, vote-bribing billionaire totally supports actual democracy guys, trust me!
Its beliefs include support for dictatorship
He actively supports Trump’s unitary executive theory and related policy goals.
antisemitism
Elon supporting an antisemetic tweet
anti-communism
He blames communism for making his trans daughter mad at him
anti-slavism
He actively supports stopping aid to Ukrainians and ceding their land to Russia
scientific racism
white supremacy
Nordicism
Here’s him spreading scientific racism that claims people of European descent are superior
homophobia
Elon refuses to enforce Twitter’s policies against homophobia and transphobia
ableism, and the use of eugenics
ultranationalism
white supremacy
He regularly promotes white nationalists online
The only very few, specific categories I didn’t find any explicit mentions of him doing in my 10 minutes of searching around were anti-Romani sentiment and social darwinism, and you’d be hard pressed to prove that everyone you’d probably otherwise consider a Nazi throughout history believed every single possible bullet point in this Wikipedia page.
If all this doesn’t make him a Nazi, then I don’t know what does.
History doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme. Musk isn’t a member of the Nazi party. He does hold a lot of important views in common with them, however. He also associates with people who fit most of the rest.
What percentage do you think is needed before calling someone a Nazi?
Saluting like a nazi is sufficient as far as I’m concerned.
I would personally add a small amount of slack for bad taste satire (we were all young idiots at some point), but basically agree. Any signs of the other points, and that slack is gone, however.
I was mostly curious if the OP was acting in bad faith, or a useful idiot that could be reasoned with.
yeah, no evidence other than spreading antisemitism on x and litterær fucking heiling /s
I legitimately didn’t know about that tweet. Can you share a source? I find a lot of articles but none of them quoting the content in full.
Fuck off with this sea-lioning bullshit. The Nazi salute and AFD promotion were international news.
Seriously, what are you getting out of this? It’s like arguing the sky isn’t blue.
Its to move the Overton window. It is clear the Elon gave a “Roman” Nazi salute. There are forces trying to control the narrative. Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.
Deny. Defend. Depose.
I had to google Overton window, (I learnt something) and your comment sounds plausible
Its ironic that when reading another thread about the motivation behind this gesture, ‘having taken too much Ketamine’ was one of the more innocent suggested explanations! What a World!
“Ignore your lying eyes.”
Fuckin’ Nazi apologists.
No need to get personal. I’m open for a civilized discussion but not this.
Wwwaaahhh! Defending Nazis gets people to say man things to me!
You don’t like being called a nazi apologist, don’t make excuses for nazis.
You’re not open to calling a Nazi a Nazi. Fuck you.
Oh fuck off, bootlicker.
Thanks for the civilized discussion. Have a nice day to you too.
its not the death of the electric car. Its the death of a bad one.
All cars are bad. Combustion or not.
Teslas are actually pretty good from what I’ve seen.
Nope. Tesla Model 3 Ranked Last In German TUV Reliability Report https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-in-german-tuv-reliability-report/
2-3 years Tesla Model 3 14.7% defect rate
German TUV Reliability Report
Those numbers are very misleading, as it includes rust on the brakes.
EVs don’t use their brakes as often due to regen, and vehicles with one pedal driving where you can come to a complete stop without using the brakes, use it even less.
A large portion of these failures are from some rust appearing from lack of using the brakes. Using the brakes more frequently, or intentional aggressive braking would clear the rust, but it’s a fail if it’s there when you take it in.
That’s not to say there aren’t other problems, but it’s not as bad as the dead last 14.7% makes it look, and it’s not wholly about poor quality as the report implies, as that isn’t a quality problem.
Tesla has some of the better one pedal driving and more aggressive regen set ups as well, so the brakes are used less.
Breaks are kinda important.
Sure, but a little rust because they weren’t used isn’t a problem, comes off when you use them, but is an instant fail. The brakes are not damaged or broken.
All brakes rust when not used. If you drove around in the rain today, then didn’t drive for a few days, you’ll probably have a little rust on your brakes. You go for a drive and then it’s gone.
If you take your car in for a pre-inspection report, and they see some rust on the brakes, they will tell you to drive it around a bit using the brakes a lot before taking it in to be inspected.
it’s not an actual problem, and not indicative of a poor quality vehicle.
Edit: To be clear - the drivers should be using the brakes more to clear them so it doesn’t build up to excessive amounts which may be a problem at some point, but the test fails them well before it’s an actual problem.
Edit: Also, where the model 3 failed a lot outside of the brakes was the front suspension. There are legitimate problems with the front suspension on the older Model 3s. Those are legitimate fails and are a quality issue (there’s even a service bulletin for at least one of the problems)
Someone downvoted you. Just wanted to say, that said person is a moron.
Oh it’s more than just someone, that post has -3 and the other one is -6.
Talking about Tesla against the narritive/hivemind always results in this, especially when it’s truthful things.
My buddy messed up and spilled a drink in his model X. When pulling up the carpet and panels to clean up he found a bunch of blue painter’s tape where there were supposed to be wiring harnesses and screws. You’ll note that blue painters tape is designed to be temporary, and will not last more than a year or two.
Actually, no. Tesla always had huge QA issues. Panels not fitting on the cyber truck really isn’t the first time that stuff just doesn’t quite fit on teslas
There is a Tesla New Buyers delivery checklist you can find online that was written by a group of Tesla enthusiasts. Just a few years ago one of the items on the checklist was “Make sure you can put the car in Park (and that it stays parked)”. (Ref: https://driveteslacanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Tesla-Model-3-Delivery-Checklist.pdf).
I’m not away of any other car where this was something people had to check before delivery — apparently it was a bit of a common problem for a time. That seems absolutely crazy to me, and a major failure of QA as it poses a significant safety hazard.
I’ve seen an increase in new Teslas where I live, not a decrease.
Sounds like a creepy place
You’re not wrong, it’s infuriating to see more of them
Bs. The Chinese in Richmond BC don’t give a af about whiny white leftist problems.
Since when does being right-wing make you a Nazi?
Nazi’s are far-right to the extreme, Musk and Trump are Right-Wing. Nothing more. Disagreeing with them doesn’t make them Nazi’s and calling them Nazi’s actually says more about that persons intolerance than they think it does.
Its not intolerance to refuse to support them. Being far right makes you a liar and bigot at the very least. I haven’t seen one example of a decent human being who considers themselves far right.
Everyone that isn’t a Leftist gets slapped with the far-right label these days though. Especially by the British government where ANY anti-immigration sentiment or even patriotism is branded dangerous far-right.
Hell even waving our own flag in Britain will get you labelled as far-right.
The term gets thrown around while most people don’t really understand it. That is what is dangerous.
when did they bring that in?
If you’re referring to the flag there are local authorities that will TRY and order you to take down the Union Jack as it can be offensive to some people. Which usually results on more flags being flown.
Is there another country on Earth where the feelings of foreigners is placed above and beyond the national flag?
Have you ever stopped to think about why? Probably not otherwise you wouldn’t be here acting like a butt hurt right-winger
Yes I know why. There are far-right people. (Possibly Musk and Trump) but then there are right wing people. People that simply want free speech, a free and open internet, privacy, border controls and not have illegal immigrants going to the head of the line for public services. Non of which we have anymore in the UK. But everyone not left wing gets lumped together and branded a far-right extremist.
The leftists are completely tolerant of others. Until you disagree with them.
Since when does being right-wing make you a Nazi?
We all saw the nazi salute, then we saw him do it a second time just to drive the point home.
I’ve seen the video of him WAVING but I haven’t seen him do it a second time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joV-9FFoA3Q
Do you call this full blown nazi salute a wave? The only relation to a wave, is the 2008 German movie Die Welle, for obvious reasons.
I’ve seen the video of him WAVING
try “waving” like that in Germany and see where that gets you
Wave like that at work in front of HR.
You won’t but you should watch this https://youtu.be/xDyPSKLy5E4?si=5gDaBVeGsFFwIBRz
People really hate nazis my guy so even doing shit as a joke pisses people off. Its not cute its fuckin fighting words
I’d say I hate nazis about 3000% more than republicans hate immigrants
Since when doing a Nazi-salute makes you not-a-nazi?
When you’re a billionaire. Then it turns out, you’re just giving your heart to the crowd. And then, when you fund and speak at Nazi party rallies overseas, you’re just fighting “woke” or something. And when you agree that “Jews are doing ethnic replacement” on Twitter, you just have to take pictures at a concentration camp and you’re a “friend of Israel”
But I do enjoy when people get fired because they think they can do it too
You’re kidding, right? With your username being what it is, one might be tempted to think that you would know better than that…
I’m not going to get into how the Federation are clearly space Nazi’s right now. However I’m not sure how my username should effect my feelings about freedoms we no longer enjoy in the UK. Freedoms that according to the UK government only pedophiles and far-right extremists care about. Don’t forget that as our freedoms are being removed I now need to use a VPN to access Lemmy.zip because we have rampant censorship and no free speech.
With your username being what it is
Some people really like Section 31 and the Mirror Universe. And Ferenginar before it went all woke.
One of the things that has continuously confounded me about Musk’s veneration by the modern American fascist is that one of the main accomplishments they hail him as a genius for are “his” advancements in electric cars.
Which are necessitated by Global Warming.
Which they do not believe in.
Well not nobody. Turns out there are some Nazis. /s
You people are fkn insanely stupid. Think twice about buying a Mercedes Benz you infant loser.
Well VW is still around. Maybe Teslas will be classic cars in 80 years.
/s: They will all self immolate.
I checked on where Edsel prices have gone. They mostly match inflation. Not a worthwhile investment as a car that people are interested in decades later because it’s an infamous failure.
VWs never randomly caught fire. And also they don’t look like if Transformers could somehow breed, but had an abortion.
This.
And VWs were survivors, crossing the desert under air cooling and repairable usually with a pair of pliers and a screwdriver. The rear bumper can hold a grown man perched back there manually pulling the throttle if you bust the linkage … or, so I … hear.
I worry Teslas wouldn’t survive long enough to become classics. They don’t seem to be survivors.
/63+71+71super here.
Confusing title. How can a car be a Nazi?
The same way you have a nazi uniform.
The audacity calling me a Nazi. You don’t know anything about me. Rekativising the atrocities Hitler has done by using Nazism as a common term. You don’t know anything.
“you” was rhetorical. You do understand that someone can wear a Nazi uniform? That is no different than driving a nazi car.
Kicked dog hollers.
In the same sense that the kubelwagen was a nazi car. Now that I think about it, the kubelwagen kinda has similar lines to the cybertruck.
If you took a handgun from a Nazi, wouldn’t that be a Nazi handgun?
I didn’t think they are saying the car chose to be a Nazi
Your just gonna piss your ignorance all over this thread, like an old incontinent weiner dog, aintcha?
I’m voicing my opinion about titles like that. They are posted here to invoke a reaction. 99% of commenters here haven’t read the article. The title is the whole reason why it’s posted.
Tesla is a nazi-owned company.
That’s why you’re defending them.
Nazism, formally named National Socialism, is the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.
You Americans need to stop using strong words you have no idea about. You can call him far-right douchebag.
Nazism, formally named National Socialism, is the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.
elon and all his simps are nazis.
You can call him far-right douchebag.
I will continue calling him a nazi because that’s all he is. If it embarrasses you to have elon self-identify as a nazi by saluting like a nazi twice, good.
All you’re doing here is gatekeeping nazism. Gatekeeping your party.
You’re either deliberately obtuse, or simple reading comprehension is beyond you. Either way, waste of time explaining anything.
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Lolwut?
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It’s literally used anywhere that uses a latin derived alphabet… and a ton of Cyrillic cultures use it…
Not sure about other alphabets.
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Nazism has no place.
That’s @Daojoan@mastodon.social, for those who can follow Mastodon handles. Worth following!
Thanks. I’m still figuring all this stuff out.
8% drop in car sales isn’t great but I think the article is overselling the idea that the company is straight up dying. (Sadly) Most people just don’t make a connection between how they spend their money and the politics of the people they prop up.
Tesla is definitely dying unless they can turn this around quickly.
Surplus capacity is expensive, and I bet they are already operating at a loss. And turning around a bad reputation is hard.
Their models are dated, the cheap Tesla is cancelled, the Cybertruck is a catastrophic fiasco, and the model Y has already lost a lot of popularity, so even a new mode already said to be mostly a facelift, is unlikely to make a huge difference.
The drop in sales in January in EU is 50%, and they are losing market share in China and USA too. So I think the actual drop is higher now than 8%.
Note that for Nissan a 5% drop last year was called catastrophic!! And their survival is also questioned, and they are way bigger than Tesla.To your list add that new Tesla sales are also competing against an increasing number of Tesla owners who now want to divest themselves of the brand.
More used Teslas on the market will only push down the market rates and thus profits of new Teslas even further.
They’re definitely dying in Europe. The YoY sale numbers are horrific.
It’s close to 50% drop in Europe. The EU has 500 million people. They may not know it yet but Tesla is on hospice care.
