I apologize if this is old news, but I just noticed it. It looks like Kagi has added Fediverse Forums as a default Web search option.
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I think brave let’s you do the same thing with their goggles feature which let’s users make custom search filters. I could be mistaken though
(and yes I know Brave as a company comes with baggage. Pretty much all of the search options do unfortunately :/)
How is Firefox’s baggage anywhere close to homophobia and a crypto scam
Firefox isn’t a search engine…? I’m talking about Brave search, not the browser, I have exactly zero reasons to use Brave browser lol 😅
Brave the company sucks, but most of the alternative/private search engines give poor results and/or are just a meta search. Brave search performs more competitively with google than most (thank you google for making that easier every passing day), and isn’t dependent on Google or Microsoft continuing to allow other engines to use their results.
From what I understand kagi has some issues too, but not as much baggage as brave has. Brave has a lot 😅. But Kagi and Brave will often appeal to different people, since Brave is free and Kagi is a subscription with a monthly quota of available searches
Been using this for a month or so its nice
Does it work on lemmy content too?
ive been finding lemmy content on duckduckgo and other engines for a while now. dont intend to try kagi tho so cant answer your question.
Surprisingly I’ve had zero Lemmy results in my searches.
Probably because my searches aren’t “Tell me why Linux is so cool”. Lol.
Yes it does! :)
Yeah big time
It’s had that for a while now. It the main reason I’ll pipe up to recommend Kagi, but now there’s also their search anonymizer and tor endpoint.
Neat feature. Any word on if Kagi has ties to the Kremlin?
I have no idea, but they amongst other indexes use the index from the Russian company Yandex
Its an American company so I suppose it is possible.
If you’re worried about Kagi’s connections, I recommend checking out this podcast with the CEO
Will check that out? Thanks!!!
It’s had this for quite some time
I’ve been using Kagi for about a month now, and I think I’m gonna stick with it. Paying with dollars instead of data/attention feels more healthy for everyone involved.
(Fully realizing, of course, that there’s nothing stopping them from doing both, and that’s why we need better laws. Voting with your wallet will never be a complete solution… but it is something I can do right now.)
I have been on it for about a year and I have no complaints.
Since they implemented privacy pass, there is now something stopping them from doing both. See https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html
Obviously with it you trade the need to trust them for your own personalization (as they can’t know it was you searching).
Funny how the tech space is hyped up about privacy pass when Kagi implemented it, but got outraged when Cloudflare worked with Apple to try to use it as a CAPTCHA alternative.
I don’t know the details, so maybe there is a reason, but I am not part of the “outraged” crowd. I think kagi use case is neat and innovative, bot protection is meh
A very reassuring technology to have!
But my worry was more about them changing their business model once they get big enough.
I think their customer base is basically 90% made of people that - like me - would quit in a second.
Good thing is that there is no vendor lock, it would be a shame, but changing search engine is quite simple.
Makes sense they advertise here enough
What advertising?
I’m not sure they do at all. There are just a bunch of Kagi users here.
I mean the idea is to appear organic, it’s not very effective advertising otherwise. It’s free real estate there is no reason they would not be doing it.
Should I ask them about being paid? I’ve been doing it for free all this time.
Not trying to say there is no organic discussion, but I would be shocked if they were ignoring this avenue for getting the word out. It’s basically free advertising and advertising is generally expensive.
If they aren’t paying anyone is it advertising? I’m not sure what you’re actually talking about anymore. Maybe I never did
Well sure it is. I mean nonpaid advertising is the best kind for everyone since it’s likely to actually be honest and actually listened to but it’s not always easy to tell from some comments what their true motivations are. Thus the existence of astroturfing.
Kagi probably has a social media manager or hires a marketing agency (as most companies do) and their time would be well spent posting on Lemmy (and other sites) about Kagi but in as organically of a way as possible since we’re all pretty ad averse here. I mean, it’s possible Kagi specifically isn’t doing it, but it is a matter of when, not if, companies start doing that here.
So yah, the social media manager or marketing agency is getting paid. People organically posting because they genuinely like the service, aren’t. The former would be advertising. The later not.
Can you point to any accounts you think are doing Kagi astroturfing. IE being paid to advertise with. Because now it just sounds like you’re speculating.
you see ads on Lemmy?
I tend to be suspicious of any brand name dropping. It’s where most reddit advertising happens too.
The only factors keeping guerilla advertising off Lemmy are its relative obscurity and maybe association with less advertising-friendly instances (which afaik are mostly defederated from the biggest instances). We aren’t immune to astroturfing by a longshot.
In the case of Kagi, the degooglers are basically their market. Here is probably one of the best places to reach an audience since it’s basically people fleeing similar tech bro overreach from reddit.
I think Kagi is fine btw but I also think knowing that we’re just as if not more susceptible to this kind of marketing is important to keep in mind for the health of the fediverse.
Fair point, I think I agree. Just makes me feel ever so slightly called out for mentioning them frequently myself, though it’s pretty clear you’re not talking about regular users giving honest feedback so that’s more a “me” problem
Sorry, I meant nothing towards anyone in particular, just mostly want to point out the strong likelihood companies are posting here. It’s a when, not an if. The bigger Lemmy gets the more money there is to be made here.
No offense taken at all, you’re right to draw attention to it!
Is Kagi big? If they are, does this mean we’ll see an influx of users from this?
In the order of 40000 people, so pretty tiny compared to the big search engines.
Oooooooh. Kagi added this lens! Since you can add custom lenses, I thought I added this (and forgot) to my own account. Cool!
I use the Kagi forum toggle so. much.
Just came across https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html . Seems like there are more good reasons to avoid it besides it also using Yandex as an index.
Thanks for the link, I’ll def be more critical about it in the future.
I’ll still use it (for now) because as a no-nonsense customizable search engine its by far the best I’ve tried.
Eh, doesn’t discouraged me from using em. For me is them or Google. As those are the only two useable engines for my type of surfing.
They’re definitely stretching themselves too thin, but as long as I get better and more relevant, cleaner, no advertising search results for my knowledge work and research. With my privacy in tact.
Then I’m continuing to pay them for a product I find to be superior than the alternatives.
If someone is interested about Kagi vs Google (made by Kagi): https://mastodon.social/@kagihq/113971972586118949
Does anyone else’s search on lemmy actually work as expected? I feel like it never finds anything really relevant. I can search for audio interfaces for example and all the first results are about software in general and not actually the hardware component.
heres to the painfully slow and gradual rebirth of the internet.
We learned a lot of lessons from the first one. Here’s hoping we don’t make the same mistakes.
lets see if federation can keep the hawks away. they will certainly be trying (again) once we hit critical mass.
That’s nice indeed! Thanks for sharing.
