i left reddit for good today with their obvious attempt at controlling the narrative like the rest of big social media. long live the lemmy federation
All the people praising Luigi say “this does nothing” when someone suggests an alternative to just shooting CEOs. Well you know what did nothing? Shooting Brian Thompson did nothing. United Health Group just hired a new CEO to run his division, and the real oligarchs continued looting the country even harder than before.
So no, they don’t feel threatened. The top oligarchs like Elon barely even registered it. If you wanna know what they’re afraid of, look at where they spend money - buying politicians and opposing attempts to regulate them and break up their monopolies. Lucky for them there is no well funded lobby for consumers, people denied health care, or even the poor and middle class generally. Tell the next Luigi to work on that if you really wanna scare these people.
One of several reasons it did nothing is that most Americans aren’t interested in action. Luigi is. I don’t think his is the only action or even the best, but if other people were taking action it would be a lot more effective.
His goal wasn’t to make sure the CEO of United Healthcare stopped harming people.
His goal was to make sure Brian Thompson stopped harming people.
they were quick to quash the news around luigi, hence the momentum kinda died down, social media and MSM worked hard to turn the tide back to culture wars.
Witty is the head CEO of UHC, and hemsely is the Chairman of the group. Witty doesnt even care, in fact hes elated because they were all being investigated for insider trading, and thompson is a threat to the whole company because he can turn on them in a dime.
BCBS reversed their decision to not cover anesthesia like a day after Thompson got deposed. It turns out direct action is actually effective
The top oligarchs like Elon barely even registered it.
Elon admitted to Jon Rogan a week or two ago that he’s using his kid as a human shield to protect himself from an assassin.
If you wanna know what they’re afraid of, look at where they spend money - buying politicians and opposing attempts to regulate them and break up their monopolies.
Actually, mob justice and dying actually does scare them. It’s the one thing they can’t just buy their way out of.
The very rising sentiment of Luigi Magione being a good man is the real threat, because before the October revolution, they realized that proletariat class was able to rise against the bourgeoisie. Is a revolution imminent? Maybe, it’s not completely certain. But we definitely will see true leftism in the rise.
Luigi Mangione 💚
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isnt it already, only allowing some center right content to be on it to “seem balance” but allowing right wingers to astroturf all the subs.
People up voting Luigi posts got banned? Yeah I’m glad I’m not on there anymore. Lemmy seems like my kind of community. Honestly feels like how reddit used to feel like. Good honest people.
upvoting is ridiculous, but from what ive heard another site, Upvoting, in general flags your account if its new on certain subs, i think they are just expanding it to sitewide.
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It’s not the man, it’s the actions.
Yeah, they’re so weird about not wanting to be shot in the back
It’s not so much the guy they’re afraid of, they’re afraid of what his actions could spur others into repeating. They’re afraid of what can be done to them if multiple people follow suit. And y’know what? Maybe that’s what we need now. Enough of us fearing them, and them fearing us. We don’t need them. They need us. And it’s well past the time to give them a reminder of that. Through force, if necessary. Preferably without bloodshed, but at this rate it doesn’t look good. They’ve shown time and again they don’t care about how many of us lose our lives to preventable circumstances, so it’s time to MAKE them care again.
i mean yeah, generally when a society idolizes a killer, it’s not for a particularly good reason (society wise)
and before anybody tries to yap about it, no there would only be a potential long term benefit to this kind of thing, slight shift in politics, maybe on the extreme end a government uprising, which will take many a year to come to fruition, and cause many years of instability. Generally these kinds of things only bring short term problems, when acted upon, humans are just animals, the salem witch trials happened for a reason, if left unchecked, this would turn into a bloodbath very quickly. Lots and lots of people would die. most of them not billionaires.
The romanticisation of a murderer is quite frankly astounding. You can agree with his side of the discussion and not be ok with murder. I don’t think enough people get that.
You’re not wrong, but you’re getting down voted… Lemmy, you crazy.
Everyone is allowed an opinion.
In my opinion, when discussion doesn’t work, action is required, and sometimes that action is wacking a dude to prove a point, or simply to remove the harm they’re causing to society.
I’ll give an example. Hitler.
Do I need to say more?
The CEO was responsible for thousands of deaths, and the law doesn’t give a fuck. It was all legal.
In this case, I’m genuinely ok with the murder.
I’m not just okay with it, I endorse it as much as Brandenburg v Ohio allows me to. People should be out there bringing actual justice to legal mass murderers.
No hate to you, but this is very naive. We won’t bring upon change with our votes or protests, every politician wants a cut of that pie, and they have no reason to listen to our protests. Legal murderers like Brian Thompson have done things that warrant worse than the death penalty, and this is just their actual justice. You have to admit, they are scared of us, even if it’s one last time.
I might be misunderstanding something but I think you just called the person you were replying to very naive, and then fully agreed with them?
You can be against the actions of health insurance companies and not be ok with murder.
It’s because nuance in an internet discussion is very hard. All people participating must target mutual understanding and not just trying to win an argument.
What are you even saying?
All throughout history, murder was almost a requirement for creating a better life for people. If we hit a point in society where murder is not okay, that takes away the one final chip the working class has against the rich.
Even just looking at the health insurance side of things, we’re talking about a horrible ethically misaligned industry that makes murder look like shoplifting. Ideally no murder has to happen, but it becomes a lot more grey from a utilitarian perspective and when considering the sheer scale that the world operates at.
Are you talking about Luigi or about CEOs?
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The Romans felt threatened because of Jesus.
Well he was super violent.
and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, 14And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: 15And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;
Upvoting that probably gets a ban now.
I don’t know if that’s evidence he was super violent. I might guess this story was made up to prevent people of business stealing power and influence from church leaders.
It was probably more to do with the destruction of the Temple that was there when Jesus was alive but destroyed 40 years later, there are many nods to this in the gospels, because it’s trying to contextualize current events with the Christian religious movement, it was important that Jesus was prophetic, and him driving out vendors from the temple is a strong image, here is the messiah, rejected by the Jews he here to save, and he correcting them, telling them to remove vendors from temple ground, and they refused to listen, so God allowed the temple to be destroyed.
Or maybe it’s more the image of the sacrificial animal’s symbolic of the Jews being chased from their homelands by a whip god controls turned against them for their sins.
I like the line by Killer Mike (“Walking in the Snow”), which I think he says he got from Dick Gregory:
“All of us serve the same masters, all of us nothin’ but slaves / Never forget in the story of Jesus, the hero was killed by the state”.
Powerful stuff.
Edit to add: honestly that whole track rips and is super relevant right now.
killer mike is a sellout, you might wanna pick a hero with morals
Wait what? Gonna need to hear more there, everything I know about the guy has been positive. That does happen though so I’m open to the possibility of course.
Strangely reminds me of the Always Sunny episode where they convinced people that a water stain on their kitchen wall was the Virgin Mary, and Charlie started blessing people. On a serious note tho, portraying Luigi Mangione and Donald Trump as saviors seems equally fucked up to me.
I doubt most people see Luigi as a savior, just a symbol of retribution in a world that lacks justice
Yeah I think the two portrayals seem equally fucked up, not equally popular.
IDK. The guy definitely has saintly vibes about him.
To me, methodically walking up behind somebody and shooting them in the back seems anything but saintly, no matter how it’s compared with the heinous evil deeds of corporate demons. Saintly would be if he convinced the CEO to change his ways and got others to do the same. What Luigi did was just violence people happen to be excusing because it satisfies their own anger, like when your big brother beats up your bully. Not an especially saintly vibe.
Regardless of how the act was done, it was undeniably an act of extreme sacrifice. He threw his life away to bring justice to an evil man who would never face justice any other way. Assuming he is the killer, Luigi did this even though he himself is from a well-off family and will never have trouble affording healthcare. Brian Thompson killed tens of thousands of innocent human beings. Because of Luigi, Brian Thompson will never kill again.
To give your life in the service of total strangers? To sacrifice yourself to save the innocent and punish the guilty? To become a literal martyr? That is the making of a saint.
Maybe you’re an expert psychiatrist or something, but in my layman’s view it was a very typical psychotic outburst, which you’re making special because you like the outcome. To each their own.
How many historical saints and prophets must have suffered from one form of psychosis or another?
1 is not the same, trump is treated as a god emperor by his followers, and he can do no wrong despite what he has done. the other being showing what was wrong with the society and backing why he did it.
He’s very cute, but he’s also so young. Can anyone find a pic of his dad?
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I got banned from late stage capitalism for questioning why they have a hard on for China.
Is Spaz (CEO of Reddit) secretly a health insurance CEO? Has he been killing and maiming peoplebyy denying health care?
Someone should check.
he shilling for TRUMp, since his first term.
