Science showed things like climate change, which was hurting the bottom line of giant corporations who donate huge amounts of money to Republicans, so Republicans convinced their base that science is against God, and that it’s all part of the evil woke liberals thing. So now anything that comes from science, including vaccines, is tainted.
I think many of us don’t realize that there’s a better option. As in, this is just the way it is. Many who do learn there are alternatives then fall to propaganda about how the alternatives are worse or communist, etc.
We’re actively disinformed. That’s why.
As an example of the deeply ingrained disinformation and brainwashing, see a comment I made today, regarding Liberals continuously blaming progressives for Trumps win — without evidence — instead of the ~100 million adults who refuse to vote (aka. the 100 million adults Liberals failed to motivate), or the ~80 million voters who support fascism.
War is peace! Freedom is slavery! The political class, bought and paid for by SPY, will save us from fascism!
It’s all very culty with partisan people of both stripes.
Honestly, I just block the people who keep repeating that kinds of BS. They aren’t worth my mental energy.
Does that mean I miss out on a bunch of discussions on .world? yes, but not wasting my mental energy on bad-faith arguments is worth it.
What is there to live for? Collective pain and misery. Be a mensch and let go.
People only care about narratives, and a side effect of having a scientific/naturalistic worldview is that things like disease become narratively inert.
People used to care a lot more about diseases when they could be given narrative causes like witchcraft or demons.
Because
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taxing the rich is a partisan stance
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people are unaware that the government would spend less on singlepayer than it spends currently dealing with middlemen
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a non-negligible number of people don’t believe in micro-organisms, nutrition, or cancer as it is understood by doctors
TLDR: decentralized education with zero funding makes a whole country of dumb assholes.
Congressional democrats have no interest in actual taxing the ultra wealthy either. It’s bipartisan to not “bite the hand that feeds.”
Well the last tax bill was written and passed by the GOP in 2017, it got 0 DNC votes in the house the first time and it passed but with 3 congressional violations which would otherwise protect budget bills from filibuster at the time and so it was filibustered, then it passed the house again with changes and then the Senate 51 to 48 with 0 DNC votes and this time was immune to filibuster.
Now they get to write the new bill again this time because it is about to expire.
We DO have an idea of the DNC tax plan from the Kamala Harris Campaign promising to tax unrealized gains over 1M and to remove the upper limit that rich people pay to Socia Security Taxes, while also keeping or lowering taxes on anybody who made less than 400k.
We also know that the previous Biden Administration supported the IRS and gave them every resource and incentive to Audit the Rich, which they absolutely did.
So I guess if you ignore literally everything that happens then you can make that claim. Take your pick: ignorant or liar, which do you claim to be?
It’s all posturing. When they actually have the power to fully pass tax bills they don’t. It’s only when they know it won’t become law that they pander to their voters. It’s all a show.
They have not had that power. We refuse to give them that power.
With that power we have every reason to believe they would tax the rich, any incentive to stand against this policy would be on the campaign trail: and they don’t use the card even then.
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Most of us are concerned.
The minority are concerned because the US government has done unethical and malicious medical stuff to minorities, which makes some level of hesitancy for those groups understandable. Not the cod oil instead of vaccines bullshit white middle class and up promote, that is pure snake oil propaganda.
Intentionally infecting black airmen with syphillus and giving them placibos instead of treatments so they could track long term effects.
As an example.
They weren’t intentionally infected, they were just deliberately not given the cure. It doesn’t make a difference at the end of the day, but it is important to distinguish because that is probably part of how those involved in the study justified their actions.
E.g.,
“I didn’t give them the disease, so I’m not responsible for what happens to them”
Not just americans. this started in the uk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield
“preventable disease” and “Americans” are very broad terms
To own the libs!
we have a domestic cult that doesn’t listen to anything outside of the cult. for the people not in the cult, most are not against medicine and other modern things. some of us are actual scientists and feel like we just live here.
We’re concerned, we just can’t afford health care
So why do Republicans like Jesse Watters say things like, “I’m offended that Canada wouldn’t want to be a part of america.”
Every cult has as one of its core tenets that only evil, terrible people wouldn’t want to be part of it.
The U.S. is currently being run by a cult.
Not everyone in the U.S. is part of that cult. But a damned lot of the population of the U.S. is.
Source: Am american.
I hate that you’re right.
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Because we also die from totally preventable school shootings too.
Sad thing is that I don’t think gun restrictions would work cos criminals get their guns unlawfully
It works in every other country.
Is there another country that illegalised guns when there were already a massive amount in the country? I’m unaware of one but happy to be enlightened if there is.
Buyback programs tend to work, because they’re “no questions asked” and illegal guns still get bought and taken off the street. Australia did one that was very effective, though they’re cheating since it’s an island.
But one thing you have to remember is the US is the largest source of illegal guns in the world, because it makes them legally and they get smuggled. 40% of guns used in crimes come from just four manufacturers.
If the US stopped making so many fucking guns it would actually make the whole world safer. Especially Mexico! Trafficked guns are the main source of the cartel’s armory.
It’s a fair point on ceasing manufacturing, I agree that would help with preventing incidents for future generations.
You can’t make concentrated firearms to smuggle into a country. They’re bulky, expensive and made from metal. They’re not heroin. Also, most of those illegal guns were legally purchased in another US state with looser laws, not smuggled in from another country.
Yep, they purchase them unlawfully because legislation isn’t a quick fix.
They purchase them from straw purchasers who get away with it because of lax laws in some states. Most states with stricter gun laws, the guns on the streets come from states with lax gun laws. If there were no states with lax laws there would be less of those guns on the streets.
It’s sadly not as simple as that when there’s already a lot of guns in the country. Realistically that can’t be changed in the current system. What would help in the immediate future is PSAs, training for professionals, risk assessments etc that can identify perpetrators. It’s not massively expensive and can be implemented in the existing system.
Which other countries with stricter gun restrictions than the US regularly have school shootings?
Yes, I agree publicised school shootings are generally in the US. Did any of the other countries go from firearms being lawful to unlawful over the last few decades? The US has a huge amount already there, and that’s a significant difference.
Australia did it in 1996 and has only had one mass shooting since then in 2018
I don’t feel countries can be compared like that. School shootings are often carried out by juveniles who can’t lawfully get a gun. They’re committing mass murder showing they’re not law abiding. Realistically there’s so many guns in America that even making guns illegal wouldn’t prevent guns in the country.
Instead there’s other things that could help, such as training professionals to identify perpetrators and warning signs they’re going to attack. PSAs could be done so people can ID people around them.
Sure, the shootings won’t stop the day legislation changes. But it prevents more guns from entering the US, making it more difficult to get one, even illegally.
I get that some people in the states need guns. Some communities have a real danger from bears etc. But those people can get a license to own a gun, the way it works in most countries.
Yes hopefully it would. It’s a slow drawn out process though, and america isn’t an island. It’s not a fix
Its not a fix, but a start in the right direction.
Yep, given the reality of how many firearms there are already, and the resources it would take to remove them… I think we should focus on other things.
^OP, here’s the answer to your question
(Intellectual laziness and uncritical acceptance of propaganda).
School shootings are often carried out by juveniles who can’t lawfully get a gun.
Cut this crap, this isn’t reddit. Most kids them get the guns from a relative or friend who obtained it legally and adequate storage laws reduce both suicides and homicides in kids. BTW, guns kill more kids now than cancer or car accidents, but only in the US. Your take is the best example of americans being unconcerned about preventable deaths.
Please let me reassure you, thats inaccurate. I do voluntary work in DA, work in the supportive sector and have personally funded related uni courses (DA being linked to crime perpetration, incels, firearm misuse etc). I’ve done considerable research into academic articles on lone actor grievance fuelled violence. I do far more than the average person does, I just have a different perspective… partly due to the academic research I’ve read.
Please let me reassure you, thats inaccurate…
What’s inaccurate? I made like 5 statements.
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Guns kill more school-aged kids than motor vehicle accidents and cancer (i had to recreate the stats from the CDC wonder database myself excluding anybody over 18 because schmucks kept on complaining about the NEJM article including 19-year-olds, which apparently invalidated the data, except that it didn’t)
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Gun suicides are mostly committed using firearms from friends and relatives.
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If you look at UK’s homicide stats and the US’s (BJS) homicide stats you can tell that actually the homicide rate difference is driven by firearms.
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It’s a fact that it is much harder to kill someone including oneself without a gun.
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States that have gun storage laws have lower firearm mortality in kids.
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Blablabla on your trust me because I did some research. I’m in academia and published half a dozen (non-gun) epidemiology papers to date as a side hustle so I do know how to use the CDC databases. I’ve been forced to dive into the gun violence data because I’m really fed up with all the disinformation.
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What I have seen no supportive evidence for to date is “that training professionals to identify perpetrators” (“hardening schools?”) has any effect on school shootings.
-Now let’s see your papers.
I’m referring to the personal remarks you made about me, they were inaccurate. Do you retract them?
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Probably something like 99.9% of guns or more are legal guns when they’re manufactured. If there were fewer legal guns produced and out there, there’d be fewer illegal guns for criminals, would-be or otherwise, to get their hands on.
Yes, it’s a slow fix though
I think a lot of Americans have the option that these contagious diseases aren’t really dangerous anymore and that THEY won’t be affected by any fallout. THEY will be able to survive it so THEY don’t care.
In reality, lots of people live in small communities and even though they might go on the internet, they don’t go very deep. So unless it’s in their face, they don’t know much about it. And “my gran pappy had the mumps and he was fine!” mentality.
This is a much bigger part of it than a lot of people in this thread seem to think. A lot of these diseases were extinct or close to it in the US and people have forgotten how deadly they are. The worst viral infection a lot of these people have ever seen is either a bad cold or a mild case of influenza. A good number of the younger ones have never even seen chickenpox.
It’s like people who try to pet wild animals because they’ve only ever interacted with domesticated ones and thought they were all like that.
Just for the record I hate they gran pappy and he was not fine, the syphilis addled fuck.
i hear ya. it’s a major fucking bummer knowing that most of the people around me a fucking stupid
