• @Chocobofangirl@lemmy.world
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      It used to say gender expression and identity. If it doesn’t, that’s a deliberate decision that could cause enforcement calls like ‘well that’s not your REAL gender so this isn’t harassment’.

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        I mean… It’s already over-specified compared to others: “sex, gender or sexual orientation”. It’d be equally right to criticize religion for why don’t they write “belief, spiritualism, religion”, and to include identity, and expression.

        They should just write “sex stuff”, and everyone is happy.

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    While I hate Google, this seems like one of those much ados over nothing. They specifically mention ‘sex, gender, or sexual orientation’, which to most reasonable people would cover gender identity.

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        No, but I think most of the people on Lemmy should know better than that.

        Looks at Hexbear, .ml, and to some extent Blahaj

        Oh, who am I kidding.

    • @patatahooligan@lemmy.world
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      “Gender” means nothing without context. By a MAGAs definition of gender this policy doesn’t protect trans people, for example. We don’t know how this rule will be interpreted in practice. Even if you don’t consider the intent behind making this change, this is objectively a weaker guarantee of protection than what we had with “gender identity and expression”.

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        This is not a legal contract, it’s a general guideline for users about what is or isn’t acceptable. The intent and spirit of the terms are clear, the only question is whether Google will enforce them not. If the enforcement is crappy, like what Facebook is famous for, it doesn’t matter a damn what exact terminology they use in the guidelines.

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    Probably because no one is actually using any gender identity based bigotry any more. So they might as well just remove it, it saves space. /s

    • Walican132
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      Any suggestions where to go? I mostly watch warhammer painting content such as tutorials for techniques I don’t know and video game content either long form retrospectives to fall asleep or guides for what I am playing. I’ve tried to get off YouTube completely but these specific niches are all that’s left for me.

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          Thanks. I can def do that on my phone. Don’t know much about how to do it on Apple TVs or Rokus but I very seldom use them for YouTube anymore anyway.

    • @reksas@sopuli.xyz
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      not just stop, rip every half decent video from there and save it somewhere else. Losing everything in youtube is library of alexandria level loss.

    • Green Wizard
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      If as many people as possible self host their own peertube, even for just your own videos, it wouldn’t replace youtube completely, but it would be a giant leap in the right direction.

      • @mesamunefire@lemmy.world
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        Yep that would be nice! Yunohost can make it pretty easy to install for those of us who self host. Plus this is the fediverse. Totally agree!

    • warm
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      What else has such a catalog? Going to be hard to persuade creators to host their own content with ads and subscriptions.

          • @Aphelion@lemm.ee
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            Nebula doesn’t have that kind of ‘popular’ YouTubers, it’s a creator-made platform that’s more focused on science and documentary channels. I don’t think I’ve seen anything on Nebula even remotely related to gaming.

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              There’s definitely gaming content on there, but what I’ve seen has been of the long-form analysis type.

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            Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene “anti-woke” trash.

            The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.

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              You’re correct but the “He has a plan” one is from Money & Macro, a leftist (Marxist-friendly) economics channel. He’s trying to explain the broader strategy behind the tariffs, which (from skimming the video) seems similar to a theory Yanis Varoufakis had as well. I think it’s much simpler than that though… I think they’re just a sloppy way to appear tough on the world stage while crashing the economy so the ultrarich can pick up the pieces, but that’s just me.

              Anyway you’re correct about the rest I think. And tbh even one pipeline video in the top recommended is too many.

            • @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              Weird.
              Mine is just Anime, vtuber, tech (the good kind) and edutainment (e.g. kurzgesagt, real engineering, ezc.).

              Maybe you engage heavily in political content because I mostly avoid it like the plague.

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                I have watch history disabled

                Man how many people fail to fucking read this is literally re-enforcing my point that maybe more people need to read. This me, quoting myself, from above. Further, someone else made the same kind of comment over a half hour ago and I responded the same, noting that I had already mentioned that I have watch history disabled, so Youtube does not and cannot give me recommendations based on my watch history.

                I actually almost never watch Youtube except for the odd video game trailer or random comedy-shit-post-snippet. I don’t have any subscriptions or channels I care about. I read.

            • @LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
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              MSN is also terrible about this shit. I turned off their new tab garbage and replaced it with Bonjourr right before the election because of all the misinformation it was showing. Crazy we just accept this shit man.

              As for YouTube, this is very easy to verify. Sign out of YouTube > CTRL+F5 > look at the top viewed videos

              You will see what garbage most of the populace sees when they go to YouTube without logging in. I believe this is the real reason they don’t care if people log in or not. They can push the narrative while seeming like they’re being good guys by allowing you to consume content “for free”.

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              The top right video is a video absolutely dumpstering Tesla and calling it a worthless stock. Your recommendations will also highly depend on what video you were just watching, could it be that users who watch your video also happen to watch these other videos? Is that the platforms fault?

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                  Funny think about that.

                  I also had it disabled, started watching a longer(ish) video, closed the video and enabled history and somehow YouTube knew how much I already watched before history was on.

                  So my guess is that history off is only for the user, YouTube knows anyway, it just pretends not to store it

                • @SorteKanin@feddit.dk
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                  Well, that might be the cause. Kinda scary you get recommendations like that just due to no history.

        • no banana
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          Sadly I couldn’t get it to stream reliably though it’s been a few months since I unsubscribed.

          • @tomenzgg@midwest.social
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            First I’m hearing but that doesn’t surprise me; it’s probably better than most companies you could give your money to but, in any way they could, they don’t do anything truly groundbreaking such that I can justify to myself giving money rather than just keeping said money in my pocket (and, in turn, much more likely to go to mutual aid, charities, non-profits, or coöperatively-owned or union-banned businesses).

            They could have done a more traditional coöp, open-sourced their infrastructure (even if it was just the app.!), or really emphasized a particular stance or message they as a company would stand by…but they haven’t done any of those. They basically are just offering up YouTube but as a streaming service. But that doesn’t solve the myriad of issues that make a streaming service a business that (like most businesses) prey on their customers.

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        Maybe people could read more?

        Nobody needs this endless “content” slop.

        For real people need to get a grip if they can’t survive without it. They’re addicted.

        • @CybranM@feddit.nu
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          Hmm yes I’ll just read about how cool two bullets hitting each other in slowmotion looks. Much better experience than watching it /s

        • warm
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          There’s an incredible amount of educational and fun content on YouTube, just because you watch slop and it’s associated recommendations, doesn’t mean I or others do.

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            Try again to make yourself feel okay about heavily using a service that is happily allowing hate speech against gender identity. I don’t have any subscriptions and I rarely watch youtube because I can fucking read. Man, this would be funny if it wasn’t so sad and indicative of how broken people’s brains are by this shit.

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              You do you, if you want to read go ahead. You are just entirely missing the point and just assuming we all consume media in a way you preconceived in your “unbroken” brain.

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                just because you watch slop and it’s associated recommendations

                just assuming we all consume media in a way you preconceived

                Try harder to not be a fucking hypocrite, dude.

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                  You are telling us YouTube is all slop and posting pictures of videos as evidence of the sort, I didn’t make an assumption, I just went along with what you said. Get some self-awareness seriously, are you reading what you are typing?

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          Horse shit.

          Reading vs TV was a tired debate in the eighties. YouTube is no different than tv. Hell, in some ways, because it isn’t all controlled by oligarchs entirely, I would argue that it’s easier to find good things on YouTube than it ever was on broadcast or cable tv.

          Also, ablist much? How about the blind and dyslexic? Are they fucked just because you don’t like that format?

          Yeah, fuck YouTube as a platform, and fuck Google/alphabet, but don’t pretend to be the arbiter of entertainment.

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            How about the blind and dyslexic

            Last I checked braille exists and so do tools for dyslexic readers. There are literally braille terminals for the blind. Hell, the first time I saw one was in the film Sneakers in 1992.

            It’s actually very easily argued that the push to touch-screen and video everything is what is actually ableist and making braille be used far less because companies are more worried about what’s cheap than what is actually useful.

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                Yeah, that’s some projection. You weren’t being disingenuous to pretend that videos are more helpful to the blind than braille? Get a grip.

                We’re talking about a company that is happily trampling over the rights of individuals right now, you don’t think the disabled won’t be next on their chopping block?

        • dditty
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          Maybe people could read more?

          Hell yeah I love audiobooks /s

      • @QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world
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        It’s not an easy answer, but the best way I’ve found so far is to use GrayJay.

        If I find that one of the content creators I follow on YouTube happen to post their content on any other platform, I switch my subscription to that platform.

        Besides YouTube they support Nebula, Twitch, Odysee, PeerTube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Kick, BiliBili, Rumble, Patreon, and more.

        • @StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          Some of those, particularly Odysee and Rumble have much worse Nazis. They are the platforms of choice for British National Socialist Movement and Patriotic Alternative.

      • @iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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        Not just catalog for viewing. What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free? I have hundreds of hours of stuff uploaded there.

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          What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?

          If it’s free, you are the product (ad views), not the consumer (ad sales). Suck it up and pay for hard drives.

          • @iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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            I have many hard drives, and none of the videos are monetized or even publically listed. As I said, it’s my cloud storage, my offsite backup.

            • Snot Flickerman
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              And I’m saying you’re not paying for it, and that’s the problem. Everyone got way too comfortable with getting “free” shit from corporations that would trample our rights the second it became convenient for them.

              • @iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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                If I’m using YT as cloud backup storage for hundreds of hours of video that is unlisted, unmonetized, how am I helping them trample rights?

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                  Their ability to trample rights because of how much profit they make from horrible content is directly related to their ability to give you that space for free. “I’m not directly contributing” is a real weak excuse to keep using it, in my personal opinion.

          • @iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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            They are all stored on local hdds, in fact I have two copies locally. I said it’s my cloud storage, my backup off site.

              • @iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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                Except I do, because I don’t have off site storage. 3-2-1 my friend. If my house burnt down, without the cloud storage I’d lose everything. Separate local copies is good for defending against disk failure.

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                  If your data isn’t worth a few bucks to secure maybe it isn’t worth the redundancies in the first place. Keep making excuses and hope they keep allowing you to access your data “for free” or at all.

        • @null@slrpnk.net
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          What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free?

          None. YouTube included.

          • @iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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            I mean, I do use YT as cloud storage for free. And before you say the “nothing is free line,” note my other replies.

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              Nope. The admin of sh.itjust.works lets you use their storage for free. Google does not.

              There are things that are free, Youtube is not one of them.

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                Okay, as I said in my other replies, the videos are unlisted, not monetized, and I don’t pay for it. What is not free about that?

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      Judging a captive market for not being able to break free from a monopoly is just another form of oppression, buddy.

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    youtube has enshittified for a while, they went downhill as soon as they announced that they no longer backed election denial reports. then all the right wing, anti-woke videos started popping up all over the place, plus the one that try to seem like its both sides videos too.

    allowing people like beast, and others to dominate the front, was asking for trouble.

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    When an influential group of powerful people make hate speech a part of their standard rhetoric, is EXACTLY when you MUST block it on your platform, not a signal that it’s time to start letting it slide, you fucking pricks.

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      Pichai kissed the ring. He’s colluding with the person who tried to overturn the elections and install himself as a ruler.

      All of the billionaires that were at the inauguration are in the same boat. I’m at a point where I believe the crimes of any of them should be tried and convicted with the punishments being doled out collectively to all colluders, but that’s me.

      I’d be going for the death penalty from the prosecution side, since it seems like that is what we do now to people who cause one or more people to die, no matter how unethical the victim(s) were.

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        I wonder if Tim Cook is there too. It would make sense for him and Apple to resist this at least somehow but…

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          Tim Cook is just as fucking evil as the rest of them.

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    As i signed up for this sub, I thought I’d be reading about technology. Actually, it seems that people here are more concerned about companies not sticking to the far left ideology, so naturally they call everyone nazis and fascists, without ever knowing what those words even mean.

    Just because someone doesn’t want to play the gender tip toe dance, doesn’t mean they’re nazis. But I guess that’s not something that this sub is ready to face.

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      Just your garden variety bigots and assholes then?

      Also, I think you should read up on what facisim is and why it’s being so widely used right now as highly oppressive rhetoric is being pushed from many far-right leaders throughout the world.

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        I know exactly what fascism means, and often what the left is doing aligns better with the definition than what the right is doing. Also, let’s not forget that “nazi” is a short form for “national socialism”

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      nazis and fascists, without ever knowing what those words even mean

      I am Jack’s complete lack of self awareness

    • redwattlebird
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      Hang on. I just scrolled down the comments list for a couple of minutes and didn’t see anyone calling anyone else a Nazi or a fascist. What are you going on about?

      And YouTube is a company. They don’t believe in anything except increasing shareholder value. It’s got nothing about far left or whatever. Gender identity isn’t even a far left idea, unless your Overton window is skewed.

      Also, you’ve just sort of outed yourself unnecessarily as an ignorant bigot in a left leaning community with your statement:

      Just because someone doesn’t want to play the gender tip toe dance, doesn’t mean they’re nazis

      Of course they’re not Nazis. No one’s calling them a Nazi. They’re calling that someone a bigot.

      Actually, it seems that people here are more concerned about companies not sticking to the far left ideology

      Actually, it’s people who are concerned about companies kowtowing to a fascist regime, the Trump government.

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      Womp womp, get bent and bootlick Trump in hopes he might acknowledge you for his next grift.

      • @cotlovan@lemm.ee
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        Your reply and your up votes just prove what I said. You’re not allowed to disagree with the rhetoric around here.

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          Sure, if your issue is that it’s okay for corporations to remove protections for hate speech towards marginalized groups, then yes, go get bent. This kind of false equivalence between normalizing hate and ostraciszing progressives for speaking out against oppression is EXACTLY what we’re fighting against. What in the hell is the ‘rhetoric’ do you disagree with? Have empathy for lgbtq+ people? Jesus. If so, this is definitely not the place for you.

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            Speaking about false equivalence, how did you came to the conclusion that just because I don’t find a corporation removing gender stuff from their policies relevant from a technological stand point - makes me an LGBT hater? You seem to already have made your mind, you probably did assume that I’m a trump supporter who wanna see gays being hanged, even though I was saying that I expected more tech and less gender politics from this sub.

            There are a lot of subs dedicated to LGBT, I came here for tech. Which sub would in your opinion be more appropriate for tech talk if not this one?

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              When big Tech, especially the biggest video platform in the world, does something lile this it is relevant to tech. The better question is, if you do support lgbtq+ people, why the public freakout about mentioning a far reaching tech policy, by one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) tech companies against them on a tech sub?

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          You are welcome to disagree and people are welcome to tell you off. That’s how speech works. Or should we tip to around disagreeing with you?

          • @cotlovan@lemm.ee
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            Of course everyone is allowed to speak their mind. But being called names for not supporting a particular point of view sounds like hate speech to me, wouldn’t you agree?

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              abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or most importantly against people who have just the worst takes.

              Hmmm, checks out. I guess the technology platform, YouTube, should get right on that too.

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              No, hate speech is targeting someone for how they were born. (Skin color, sexual orientatio, gender identity, ect.) Reacting to someone saying stupid shit is not hate speech and dilutes the meaning of the word to use it that way.

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          No, you’re definitely allowed. Otherwise you’d have had your comments removed from the public discourse.

          The up and downs just gauge public approval to the comment. Remember, you’re also free to up and down vote to voice your disagreement.

          Also remember, if you think everyone around you are assholes then likely you’re the asshole.

          Edit: I just saw your other comment on the lack of variety of posts. Be the change you want to see. Find something interesting and make a post!

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        Seeing as you apparently need someone to look the word up for you.

        Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition

        Let’s see.

        1. Christian nationalism is a huge part of Trumps support group
        2. Cops target brown people to attempt to deport them and Trump pardons them for ignoring court orders to stop (Joe Apaio)
        3. Trump continues to deport people based on skin and looks without due process. Ignoring courts telling him to stop.
        4. Trumps America first slogan is eerily similar to Hitlers slogan.
        5. Trump is starting to isolate the US from the rest of the world (but curiously not Russia)

        But I do agree, they’re not Nazis, they’re MAGA. Their own brand of fascism.

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      I’m with you on the “they’re not Nazi thing”

      I think a Lemmy is being a version targeted radicalization for certain groups.

      But still I think you’re wrong that we can separate technology from this political stuff right now. It’s not separate. Technology is the medium that groups are using to spread this stuff. It’s important and interesting to see how they’re doing it.

      Content should focus on the tech side of it. And also why be angry at the side that’s just trying to protect their freedoms here. If it wasn’t for the people trying to limit their freedoms, we’d never hear of this stuff.

      The issue isn’t people trying to identify as another gender. It’s the people saying no they can’t and then abusing their power and influence to do it.

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        Sure, you can’t always separate the technology from the politics, my issue was that this is what most posts around here are about. I took a look and most content comes a few accounts, and it’s always about the “nazi this” and “fascist that”. Is that really only thing that happens in the tech space, what Musk said and what YouTube changed in their policy?

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      I recommend you take strides to learn how propaganda works, most specifically the purpose of shifting opinion (i.e. the Overton Window): “I’m just asking questions” and “I’ll let anyone speak” are two of the most effective methods of propaganda. It does not need to be intentional on the part of the interviewer.

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          Your problem is that you want to censor ideas you don’t like.

          This is a natural result of media controlled by corporate interests. It’s also a misunderstanding of “free speech” – even when you are free to say what you will, it does not mean you are free from the consequences of that speech.

          You want to control what other people think by dictating what they get to see and what they’re allowed to share with others.

          Again, I suggest looking into how propaganda works. Letting everyone speak about anything (without vetting of topic, qualifications, or direction) has consequences. We are seeing those consequences now and will continue to see more as the propaganda machine runs wild on the back of “let everyone speak”.

          Your view of this is overly simplistic and I am, in the most polite way, attempting to direct you to self improvement. It is a common issue at the moment across all discourse – probably vestigial of the information sharing capabilities now available.

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          no, when you obviously spouting misinformation its within peoples rights not to give you time of thier day. and thats why you would be banned in reddit surely as here eventually for the right reasons.

        • @nexguy@lemmy.world
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          Companies censor ideas all the time. McDonald’s employees don’t tell their customers how ugly they are… it’s against company policy. Youtube is a company that can implement whatever company policies they like and if you don’t like it you can go somewhere else.