Federal agents kept smashing up weed shops in California after we legalized it. He seems awesome by comparison, not because he was awesome. Same with Billy C. We haven’t had an awesome president in my lifetime.
He blew up innocent people with bombs and drones. He tortured people. I’d say he was indeed terrible.
Don’t get me wrong: he was one of the better presidents that we’ve had, but that bar is embarrasingly low.
He extrajudicially killed a US citizen with a drone.
This is the scariest shit I can think of from any modern president. The precedent is terrifying.
The good news the victim was Arab! so at least half of Americans thinks that’s acceptable and as long as we have that it will be acceptable.
People want war criminals who talk good. That’s the bar for the average American.
I believe Obama didn’t have the confidence to disrupt the military industrial complex as it was operating post-GWB. I also think he feared the political repercussions of seeming “weak” on defense, which I think he misperceived. This was perhaps the most serious flaw in his presidency, which was otherwise great in regards to domestic policy
…leading some of the most disastrous dea and fbi raids in US history is good domestic policy?
He was a boring ‘good’, president if you were upper middle class or higher in a fairly conservative job and a white male. That’s about it. Those were the people that could tune out.
A president doesn’t need to be awesome, he or she needs to be competent.
Hard to argue logic like that
first black president is a hero for many
full stop
I don’t know if you can label someone just “not terrible” that’s directly responsible for 400 civilian deaths. I mean the next two presidents were worse for civilian deaths so idk. The US is a fat turd run by war criminals.
Is not really a showerthought and flagrantly breaks rule #6. Put this elsewhere.
It’s rule 3, but you are otherwise correct. I reported it and encourage others to do the same.
Don’t forget the Dijion mustard incident. Unforgivable.
Best president of my life (started with Carter). I’d give him a C- if not grading on a curve.
Least bad president in my lifetime.
Bailed out the banks, that sucked.
Jesus christ, you fell for the GOP talking points!
The bank bailout was by Paulson under Bush, it was literally just blank checks with 0 strings attached.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Economic_Stabilization_Act_of_2008
The bill was proposed by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, passed by the 110th United States Congress, and was signed into law by President George W. Bush.
Obama altered the deal, he made it so onerous the banks begged to pay back the money early just to get him off their backs.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2010/01/obama_to_bankers_we_want_our_m.html
This is the problem, children who didn’t live it hear second hand from their parents or other idiots, then believe complete bullshit.
He did, however, bail out the auto industry.
I guess the least bad president in my lifetime was jimmy carter. Guy sold his families peanut farm to prevent a conflict of interest. He gets a lot of bad press but he tried. After he left the office spent the rest of his life helping to build homes for the poor.
The bail out was bad, but I can’t imagine at that point letting them fail. The crime was how many people went to prison for what they did.
Can we have another mediocre President please? And boring news?
If they had let them fail then maybe we wouldn’t be in the situation we are now with the entire banking system becoming consolidated (many banks have merged into larger banks). Maybe the massive redistribution of wealth towards the top that has occurred since that point would have been much less.
Too big to fail is too big to exist.
He could have used the power of the federal government to bail out the individuals instead.
I doubt the individuals would have been able to pay it back with interest like the banks did.
The idea would be that the Gov renegotiates the loan, pays off some portion of the interest to make sure that all of us have money in savings expecting return to get it, and then the home owners would get a more reasonable rate. The government would also have to tell all the bank shareholders to take a long walk off a short pier. Oh and jail the C-level
The problem though was that many of the people taking on those horrible rates were people or properties that were bad investments. And the government never really cares enough to punish white collar crimes even they are industry wide like this. Look at Wells Fargo. They full on committed fraud, signing people up for accounts without their knowledge and no one went to jail. If you or I did that for one individual its a felony. But if you’re the bank itself its no big deal. WF should have been broken up and sold off and a bunch of people should be living in a cell.
They could have bailed out individual’s loans, and also solidified the banks that way. If they paid month by month for a time period to stabilize things it would’ve been drastically cheaper and kept people from losing their houses. Those people could have paid back in increments over time in taxes even (like they do student loans). It would have kept all those people from losing their homes, cost less, stabilized the economy, and not rewarded the banks for risky behavior. They should have charged the major players in banks too. What Obama did was the worst way to right the ship.
The crime was socializing the losses and privatizing the gains
Bailout should’ve included nationalizing the banks involved and stiff criminal penalties for those involved in running it. But Obama and democrats in general would never dream of prioritizing the average citizen over their donors.
As a result you and I had trillions stolen from us to make those rich people even more rich and save them from the consequences of their actions. thanks obama, glad you didn’t upset your Wall Street bros
I remember the Bank of America Tower going up in NYC as they were being bailed out. That’s our building.
Best one you guys had since… I dont know. Reagan?
Are there people besides brainwashed republicans who unironically think Reagan was a great president?
A lot of those people got really quiet when we started fellating putin. I had to hear for years about how rad he was, and now crickets.
There is no way you think Reagan was good
Best since FDR. We’re fucked.
Dis ain’t even a shower thought bro, icl I’d rather leave politics out of some communities, but 100% I agree. So many people looked past his politics and js looked at his skin colour instead.
He committed and covered up hundreds of war crimes in the Middle East and other countries, declared Linux users terrorists, Snowden, Assange etc. like with Trump the list is too long.
Would you say that about any president? Genuinely curious. I can think of ones that I like some of their policies and deeds, but the whole of their work? Lincoln maybe.
Lincoln presided over the largest mass execution in American history where 38 Dakota men were hanged. They were sentenced and executed within less than 6 weeks by a military commission. Further, he emancipated slaves not because he had moralistic ideals but because he thought he couldn’t preserve the Union without doing so.
Every US president is a war criminal
What about the Roosevelts and Johnson?
Couldn’t agree more.
There were some things he did I disagreed with, and a lot he did I agreed with. I’d take another Obama presidency any day given where we currently find ourselves
Reading all the things he has done, I’ve come to my own conclusion of the man. When I was young and dumb, I didn’t like him. I was a 16 yr old conservative in the south. Then I got older and experienced more people and life. I ended up being a big fan of him.
But now that I’m 32 reaching 33 soon enough, I’ve found he is just man. Not bad or good. Just a man. I think he had the country’s best interest at heart. I imagine the crucible you’d have to deal with to be president and get things done is not easy. I imagine trying to do good requires you to close an eye to other things.
The difference between him and a Trump though? Trump does evil shit and let’s evil shit go and so he’s never stopped because the evil shits have control over most of the shit.
I think that likeability and presidency are not really related or relevant. I think that’s more about getting elected.
I think that leadership is about building and shaping the world into a place where everyone can feel safe and loved.
It’s about security and stability, about having an idea of what you want it to look like, being able to articulate that and then make it happen.
That kind of leadership seems to be in short supply and getting rarer.
I’m not sure why.
Its why Carney is so popular in Canada.
He hasnt attacked Poilievre. When asked he comes out with well reasoned and thought out plans.
E.G. instead of just “cutting red tape” to aid housing construction, which results in shit quality and developers timing completion to optimize prices; his plan is to directly get the government to build homes like it did in the 1950s and 1960s. This would also help get people into and trained in the trades, another of his promises.
Also, government employing directly will always be more efficient than contracting out. Because the contracting firms charge 5-10x per employee what the employee makes. For a western salary.
