• @warbond@lemmy.world
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        Realistically, what would happen if ICE agents came in the middle of the night and a person were to completely gun them down? I assume it would escalate responses in general, but what happens to that person? Is martyrdom as much as they could hope for?

        • @PunnyName@lemmy.world
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          157 days ago

          Yeah, they’re not gonna live to the next day, unless they get all of the agents.

          But they would be doing a net good to society.

        • @KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca
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          147 days ago

          Realistically, what would happen if ICE agents came in the middle of the night and a person were to completely gun them down?

          The videos I’ve seen the ICE agents are in street clothes. They aren’t wearing uniforms, no badges, nothing to indicate they’re official agents at all.

          If these people show up at night, I’d say open fire. They look like any other gang member.

          • @MBech@feddit.dk
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            157 days ago

            Also, what’s worse, getting deported into slavelabour or dying in your home, but getting to fire back against the SS, ups ICE?

            • @KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca
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              97 days ago

              100%. If I were American (I’m not), in my American home (also not), on American soil (again not) and the government decided I was too woke and wanted to deport me to a deathcamp out of country, I’d definitely choose the Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid ending.

              In fact, if this were happening in my town I might choose to go out slowly picking off as many ICE, government and police in their homes first.

        • @Crikeste@lemm.ee
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          You would be put in prison, and the only hope of getting out is your revolution winning, taking power and absolving all the people who to action of their crimes.

          Think about it this way: The government is tyrannical, but they don’t see it that way. They don’t see your use of the 2nd amendment as “valid”, they see it as killing federal officials trying to do their job. Your only chance is change.

        • @supamanc@lemmy.world
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          You would be labeled a terrorist, the ICE agents would become martyrs, and all future raids would be executed full SWAT style, with flashbangs, snipers, shoot to kill etc. They save a ton on deporting people, and get to straight up murder disidents in their home.

          • @ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
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            25 days ago

            Trumps America is really incredible. People voted for this.

            Whenever you feel stupid like because you made a mistake or something, just remember that people voted for this, and then you don’t have to feel so stupid anymore.

        • @PunnyName@lemmy.world
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          157 days ago

          Perhaps the outspoken ones from the past several decades.

          But there are plenty who don’t out themselves, because they understand trigger discipline.

        • @AngrySquirrel@lemm.ee
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          That is objectively false. While most pro 2A people are rightwing, to say or even imply that it is all is ridiculous and counterproductive to resistance.

        • @PunnyName@lemmy.world
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          87 days ago

          Second Amendment, specifically the ones who have be very staunchly against government overreach (coincidentally, they’ve been largely conservative, and pro Fascist 47 - at least the loud online ones).

    • @CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      377 days ago

      “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

  • @Uranus_Hz@lemm.ee
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    997 days ago

    If they are citizens it’s not “deportation”, it’s “abduction and human trafficking”

  • @AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world
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    Shahid Bolsen had an interesting idea. That if they are going to allow people to buy US citizenship for 5 milli that US citizens should be able to sell their for the same price. A person could use the bread to repatriate in another country. 🤔

    • @tourist@lemmy.world
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      would be a shame if someone took a comically large mallet and bopped them really hard on the top of their heads so that they become a completely flat disc and they have to breathe in really deep and exhale while holding their noses to unflatten themselves

    • @rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      127 days ago

      Arm up if you haven’t already, you can get practice at a firing range (they are all over the US), practice firearm discipline and safety. Know how to clean and maintain.

      And it doesn’t hurt to get some trump/maga gear because blending in is a powerful strategic option.

      • @AngrySquirrel@lemm.ee
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        While this is important, remember that it is only a part of the skill sets people need to be familiar with. People should also train in more dynamic ways than just bench shooting. People should also get acquainted with small unit tactics as well as other core facets of modern combat such as drones, energetics, thermal, EW, Coms, and OPSEC.

        Also, remember that this will be asymertical, so a focus on Guerrilla/partisan tactics is key.

        Edit: Tor/onion is your friend.

        Edit 2: I forgot to mention a critical one:

        Get Medical Training.

        At the very least take CPR and First Aid classes. Stop The Bleed is also a good program. Many community colleges offer Emergency Medical Responder classes (which is a step in between First Aid and Emergency Medical Technician). Tactical Combat Casualty Care (TCCC) is also an useful training.

        Medical Training is good to have in general and I think many of these trainings should be taught to everyone in school.

        Also, skills often atrophy quickly, so keep training and keep practicing.

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    I prefer to die in a shootout at home in my PJs rather than a gulag in a shithole I can’t find on the map without cheating.

  • MAGA crowd have already found a way to defend this move. At this point I am sure, Trump can personally murder 100 kids every day on live TV and MAGA crowd will cheerdance for him. In fact if he complains that he has ran out of kids to murder, MAGA crowd will provide their own kids to kill and continue to cheer dance

  • @yenahmik@lemmy.world
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    …if it identifies a pathway it can claim to be legal

    Based on everything else they have done ignoring legality, I have very little faith they won’t just start doing it anyways.

  • Archangel
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    106 days ago

    So, NAL, but…I’m pretty sure this violates both international law and US law.

  • @KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca
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    97 days ago

    But if you want to renounce your US citizenship you still have to jump through a shitton of red tape and pay $2,350 USD - and they STILL might deny the request to renounce.