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Too bad the US can’t import any of it.
they can if they pay 6382538% tariffs.
or was it 29403696%?
That was yesterday. It doubled since then IIRC
“These chips are 10,000 times faster, therefore we will increase our tariffs to 10,100%!”
Clickbait article with some half truths. A discovery was made, it has little to do with Ai and real world applications will be much, MUCH more limited than what’s being talked about here, and will also likely still take years to come out
The key word is China, let us not kid ourselves. Otherwise it would be just another pop sci click but now it can be an ammunition in the fight with imperialist degenerated west or some bs like that
Link to the actual paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-08839-w
The repro and verification will take time. Months or even years. Don’t trust anyone who says it’s definitely real or definitely bunk. Time will tell.
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Speaking of, did you hear there’s a new room temperature super conductor?
Whatis?
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AI AI AI AI
Yawn
Wake me up if they figure out how to make this cheap enough to put in a normal person’s server.
You can get a Coral TPU for 40 bucks or so.
You can get an AMD APU with a NN-inference-optimized tile for under 200.
Training can be done with any relatively modern GPU, with varying efficiency and capacity depending on how much you want to spend.
What price point are you trying to hit?
What price point are you trying to hit?
With regards to AI?. None tbh.
With this super fast storage I have other cool ideas but I don’t think I can get enough bandwidth to saturate it.
With regards to AI?. None tbh.
TBH, that might be enough. Stuff like SDXL runs on 4G cards (the trick is using ComfyUI, like 5-10s/it), smaller LLMs reportedly too (haven’t tried, not interested). And the reason I’m eyeing a 9070 XT isn’t AI it’s finally upgrading my GPU, still would be a massive fucking boost for AI workloads.
You’re willing to pay $none to have hardware ML support for local training and inference?
Well, I’ll just say that you’re gonna get what you pay for.
No, I think they’re saying they’re not interested in ML/AI. They want this super fast memory available for regular servers for other use cases.
Precisely.
I have a hard time believing anybody wants AI. I mean, AI as it is being sold to them right now.
I mean the image generators can be cool and LLMs are great for bouncing ideas off them at 4 AM when everyone else is sleeping. But I can’t imagine paying for AI, don’t want it integrated into most products, or put a lot of effort into hosting a low parameter model that performs way worse than ChatGPT without a paid plan. So you’re exactly right, it’s not being sold to me in a way that I would want to pay for it, or invest in hardware resources to host better models.
Wow, finally graphene has been cracked. Exciting times for portable low-energy computing
Does flash, like solid state drives, have the same lifespan in terms of write? If so, it feels like this would most certainly not be useful for AI, as that use case would involve doing billions/trillions of writes in a very short span of time.
Edit: It looks like they do: https://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/hardware/life-expectancy-of-a-drive/
Manufacturers say to expect flash drives to last about 10 years based on average use. But life expectancy can be cut short by defects in the manufacturing process, the quality of the materials used, and how the drive connects to the device, leading to wide variations. Depending on the manufacturing quality, flash memory can withstand between 10,000 and a million [program/erase] cycles.
For AI processing, I don’t think it would make much difference if it lasted longer. I could be wrong, but afaik, running the actual transformer for AI is done in VRAM, and staging and preprocessing is done in RAM. Anything else wouldn’t really make sense speed and bandwidth wise.
Oh I agree, but the speeds in the article are much faster than any current volatile memory. So it could theoretically be used to vastly expand memory availability for accelerators/TPUs/etc for their onboard memory.
I guess if they can replicate these speeds in volatile memory and increase the buses to handle it, then they’d be really onto something here for numerous use cases.
Hopefully they can use it against covid.
Yeah, but endurance. and accuracy. and longevity. How about those?
And price and maye write more than 1 single bit
China scientists
So, Chinese scientists?
Seriously, for me a “China scientist” is someone doing research on China, like a space scientist would do research on astronomy and similar. But I’m not a native English speaker, so, idk
Someone doing research on China is a chiologist.
Same as someone doing research on biology is a biologist.
Biology -> biolog -> biologist
China -> chin -> chinist?
No, it’s people who study fine tableware.
I think it’s a slightly different connotation. “China scientists” infers scientists residing in China while not presuming their ethnicity, while “Chinese scientists” implies their ethnicity but not their location.
You literally never hear “America scientists” even if some of them might be from another country. Same with every single other country I can think of, except China.
US scientists works in the same way.
Me stutter? No think so!
Him legend.
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Real talk, why is discussion around people and subjects in China so fucking weird?
If it’s not referring to the entire population when it only applies to the government or a subset of them as a global “the Chinese” or doing silly shit like “China scientists” everyone’s grammatical skills suddenly tank when even broaching a topic even tangential to the PRC.
Probably because is an ethnicity and nationality. There are ethnic Chinese people all over the world and a few countries and regions are made of a majority of ethnic Chinese but are not related to China. Calling them the same thing is playing into the PRC’s “all ethnic Chinese pledge their allegiance to China” nonsense.
It’s a reasonable assumption that someone in China is Chinese.
The reverse, however, isn’t true. It may be somewhat understandable but not entirely reasonable to assume someone who is Chinese is from China which is what I’m trying to say.
Isreal like that game of pretend. They believe anti zionist Jews are traitors.
Chientists
(acts confused in French)
This article appeared in my feed just above another article about how China has the world’s first operational thorium reactor. Meanwhile, the US is about to fight a civil war over whether vaccination causes measles and stripping away the last of our social programs in order to get out wealthiest people another 2% subsidy.
China and Russia worked very hard to get these rich stupid people in power.
It really started in 2016 when US security agencies released a joint report showing Russia was spreading misinformation to help Trump win the election.
Surprisingly, the “liberal tears compilations” and “something about an email server people didn’t understand wasn’t actually illegal” actually worked and drowned out the warnings from our security agencies.
I don’t think China will be any better of a world leader tbh.
I see humanity’s future as a boot stepping on a human face forever, unless humanity globally rejects kings, oligarchs, and dictators.
Don’t forget the genius DNC folk, including HRC thought a pied piper strategy of boosting the circus peanut was a good idea.
If the Russians and Chinese did anything it was just capitalizing on an unforced error by the hubris of the centrist. One again, bernie would have won, but that was more distasteful to the ruling class than fascism.
Oddly, the DNC’s position on the republican candidate in the circus that was the 2016 primary wasn’t likely all that influential or determinative.
trump figured out that running a political campaign as entertainment and leveraging the power of, well, just lying about everything was possible in the modern media environment. republicans had been working for decades on tilling the ground for an authoritarian that they could manage, but got themselves owned instead. Oops.
It really started in 2016 when US security agencies released a joint report showing Russia was spreading misinformation to help Trump win the election.
Compare russia to the British and consider who is the bigger villain.
Can we not bother deciding who was the biggest nightmare, and instead focus on finding models for the best countries.
I am so sick of the “at least the USSR had…” or “at least China does…” conversation. Can’t we have a “Finland has high happiness, broad socialist protections, and a fast moving economy” kind of conversations.
The point is that foreigners influence elections all the time, all over the world.
Americans meddle all the time, but are the only one that start crying when it’s done to them.
Americans have a history of the most insidious manipulations in the politics of other nations - did you see their Sec. of state try commemorate the CIA backed coup of Cuba.
About “crying” over foreign interference, you are wrong. In the last 4 years France, Canada, Germany, Romania, Sri-Lanka, Australia, all of the Baltic nations andore have a had credible complaints of attempts from foreign nations trying to use propaganda and more to influence elections.
Let’s not try to convince ourselves than only the Americans are misbehaving.
You rely on professional fabrications of misinformation to tell you the truth about who is producing misinformation? Don’t fall for crude propaganda. When empires end they do some self-destructive things. It’s normal.
This is observable reality.
You should pay attention
Not my future, I will try to die in a way that even an omnipotent AI can’t bring back.
Gonna make sure to bring as many of those fuckers with me as possible.
Fuck the idiotic Americans that won’t bother to immunize, never mind understanding science as a whole.
No. We don’t want them to breed…
We don’t want them to cough super ebola or space flu on us either
Not possible.
No? Oh, that’s a shame. I was hoping for some improvement in the world, but a random person on the internet said it wasn’t possible without giving any reasons at all. Oh well.
No it’s literally impossible without bypassing the speed of light and/or the size of atoms.
Why? If they looked at how current tech works then they could easily develop the same tech 10000x faster
How
replace “the joke” with “irony” and then send the image to yourself
Holy shit I think with the joke, irony, and the two of you, I might be able to put some sort of perpetual motion machine together! Now I just need some investors…
Most Don’t Know This
Easy, instead of developing the technology themselves they just copy it and claim they developed it 10000 times faster.
It’s a play on the original title.
It’s like temu. 100x discount.
Yeah… At best click baity as fuck, at worst a complete scam.
Any time there is a 10x or more in a headline you are 10x or more likely to be right by calling it BS.
Is that fast enough to put an LLM in swap and have decent performance?
Note that this in theory speaks to performance of a non volatile memory. It does not speak to cost.
We already have a faster than NAND non volatile storage in phase change memory . It failed due to expense.
If this thing is significantly more expensive even than RAM, then it may fail even if it is everything it says it is. If it is at least as cheap as ram, it’ll be huge since it is faster than RAM and non volatile.
Swap is indicated by cost, not by non volatile characteristics.
